Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

No idea, maybe the website is wrong. Or NICE guidelines change.

Looks like bottles are NRV which come from public health England.

nice and phe may both be right but have different aims?

Went to Regent's Park today and there were absolutely loads of people breaking the rules. Big groups meeting up, picnics, football matches, etc

Didn't realise how non-compliant people were about this second lockdown.

Camden lock was interesting, lots of people. No masks, no two meters distancing. Lots of places open and people buying food and drink as usual there. Cycling to W10 to drop a pi off to a friends child, and then to W4 to collect a battery charger then back to camden via the canal paths and it was really busy. Lots of groups drinking on the canal edge, one was getting food delivered. There were no boats near by.

Well the rules are going to be relaxed so why not attitude.

Camden was for 'work', and the person I met was interesting to say the least. Trying to shake my hand and come closer than 2m without a mask.

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totally convinced the slow release start over the next few months is planning in pretty large rates of non compliance from now on

Hulme park round here had 2 basketball games going on the same court and a decent crowd all the way round when I rode past the other evening. The lovely weather has certainly got people out.

I understood the bunged beaches and BLM protests last year didn't lead to Covid outbreaks. Fingers crossed it's the same now with the new Kent Covid.

Still not sure about schools but since NI reopens schools slowly we will know soonish what happens NI / Scotland ) Wales VS England.

As far as I can tell, outdoor transmission is basically non existant. It's way better for all the potential lockdown miscreants to be outside, rather than having family get togethers indoors.

Covid does not survive well in UV light or in breezy / windy conditions.

Yeah based purely on the demographics of my icu (people who can’t work from home, basically), to me it’s very much workplace spread that is the issue. I’m sure young people breaking lockdown & schools going back too early plays a big role in spreading it to other demographics but I think the demonisation of “lockdown breaking” as driving wave 2 really brutally maligns the people who are actually dying of this disease.

Curiosity got the better of me and I ordered a Covid antibody test from "testing for all" https://www.testingforall.org/

Reasonable price, good instructions. Will let you know once test results comes back.

Turns out I've a shitty superpower called "not bleeding easily" and three holes and two tubs of hot water later I hope my sample won't be invalidated...

No antibodies, so whatever that was we all had last year was not Covid. (two weeks of misery...quite impressive for not the flu (we get flu jabs))

Would recommend testing for all, good website and explanation and fast turnaround if you can't get a work test :)

Had a lateral flow test today, tested negative.

@JWestland Would there be any point if you have had had a positive covid test, or been vaccinated.

That's hard to answer because they aren't sure how long antibodies last and how protective these are.

What would you want to get out of it?

I was merely curious, whatever we had was before mass testing.

So far they're lasting longer than the vaccine ones. Both my missus and I had covid last March. We've both had antibody tests, me positive end of January (NHS test that only tells you if you have antibodies) SWMBO had the paid for, while-you-wait variety just last week and she tested +ve for IgG (long-term) antibodies, so nearly a year.

That's pretty good! Did you both get it bad, high fever and the works?

No. We were lucky. Deb had thick (maybe sticky?) blood pooling in her legs (or that's how she described it) but other than that, just perm any several symptoms from the list. Only lasted the obligatory fortnight and that was it. Don't know what all the fuss is about really! ;o)

What would you want to get out of it?

For me? Nothing. I'm just wondering.

EDIT: Also ask questions when I next get monitored.

£37bn on test and trace. I should put £5k into the Number Ten “charity” for Johnson’s curtains, I’d be a millionaire by July.

pay increase to the value of a tesco's meal deal a week for front line healthcare workers. you should have clapped harder, fuckers.

Surprised I don't get "invest in Tory donations" stock ads on YouTube by now

/sarc

With an extension in stamp duty cuts cos...why the hell not, that's really what starters on housing market and people that rent need 🙄

Though seems the lack of change in income tax will mean a slow tax rise for middle and higher income band in 2023.

No antibodies, so whatever that was we all had last year was not Covid.

That's not quite right - what the antibody test has told you is that you don't have antibodies right now.

You may have had them previously and no longer have them at detectable levels, or you may be one of the people for whom antibody response and T-cell response is not in sync. Basically an antibody test only tells you so much. It can definitively tell you that you've had Covid. It cannot definitively tell you that you've not had Covid.

Ah yes you are right.

So I'm probably better to say it was -likely- not Covid?

As it seems most people do get antibodies for a good while after, but you are also correct, not everyone.

Was just a weird one partner had fever I didn't. Both of us had mild headaches 2 days, weird guts 2 days, improved over weekend, then got into brain-dead / tiredness phase for another week.

But no lung issues or bad cough. A creative virus whatever it was... needs a troll icon.

Royal College of Nurses are choosing war

And they should. Fuck the tories.