Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

I guess they think "ah, this person doesn't want to see their holiday cover-er to see what they've been up to"

Sense of smell is back, which is great news.
Though straight after my chest infection, I got toothache (unrelated to Covid - though maybe forgetting to brush teeth because I was a disgusting slob might have contributed)

So fun times.

I do take daily cod liver oil, vitamin D and multi vitamin daily, now with an antihistamine as the sun has come up.

Been very conscious of omega oils, glucosamine etc for joint health and reduced inflammation after years of martial arts and joint injuries.

Essentially what Brookly_Bay said, to keep fraud undiscovered often takes the perpetrator to have a level of control over an organisational system or process to allow them to cover their tracks. Going away on holiday for a while opens up those aspects to scrutiny.

All going well, then good stuff.

"A disgusting slob" :)))

My partner had sore teeth...teeth grinding which seems common ATM according to dentist.

I've not tried Glucosamine yet, might look into it. Tx :)

I've not tried Glucosamine yet, might look into it. Tx :)

There is an article in this months Which magazine about supplements. They have a list of vitamins that are proven to work and ones that aren't proven by medical studies to work.

Was suprised to see that there is no evidence that eating glucosamine supplements leads to more glucosamine being made available to joints. Loads of people swear by it but there is vanishingly little evidence to support efficacy.

Edit: There was also a fairly sobering warning about taking too much Vitamin D. Aparently more than 100ug per day over a period if time can weaken bones and damage your heart and kidneys.

I don't understand, why is not taking holiday a indicator of fraud?

Don't listen to the others, workaholics are always suspicious.

5 microgram is the recommended daily intake of vitamin D, 25 was used in some clinical trials. ike with any chemical, the dose is important and there's a sweet spot between "does nothing" and "harmful".

I picked my supplements based on reading around, for example fish oil -can- work against high blood pressure...or not. Even trials give mixed results for supplements.

Without some taking some measurements yourself it can be hard to find out if it works for you.

The vitamin B supplement gives us no extra energy so probably waste of £... though harmless. But we are not running any (of course not free...) blood level analysis along it to see if "invisible" metrics improve.

Of course there's lots if bs around supplements. Some sites recommend ultra high vitamin D doses which which definitely recommends against.

And vitamin C does nothing for me to prevent colds though berocca makes them slightly less grim. But...you should not take berocca all the time potentially due to high zinc doses. It's a minefield 😁

I'll see if I can find that Which tx :)

5 microgram is the recommended daily intake of vitamin D

Yup, and my Vitamin D supplements, purchased in a high street shop, are 50ug! Would be easy for me to go over 100 if I also supplemented with fish oils etc...

Edit: Also, im sure people just "double drop" thinking its better for them

This is an excellent visualisation on vitamins and supplements and the proof behind claims. Has been around for about 10 years but he keeps it updated.

Nice, thanks

It is interesting how many times Vit D appears on there, and how it varies in terms of effectiveness.

Its also interesting seeing lots of popular supplements not even making that list. I know that the list isn't exhaustive but its notable that plenty of very popular things arent on there. People take a lot of stuff that doesn't have much evidence to support it. 5-HTP and L-Carnitine for example.

That’s a really good data visualisation

Just googled to double check how Raymond Kurzweil is doing & he’s still going. Remember reading that he’s on something like 100 pills a day to attempt to extend his life until the singularity

It is, David McCandless is very good at visualisations, actually portrays real data in an engaging way

So coffee gives you heart attacks? 😭

Well if you drink 3-5 cups daily. I wonder if it's corrected for other variables.

Interesting link, tx :)

Opposite, coffee lower risk of heart attacks.

Was suprised to see that there is no evidence that eating glucosamine supplements leads to more glucosamine being made available to joints. Loads of people swear by it but there is vanishingly little evidence to support efficacy.

Placebo effect, like homeopathy.

Nice guidelines here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vitamin-d-supplementation-during-winter-phe-and-nice-statement/statement-from-phe-and-nice-on-vitamin-d-supplementation-during-winter state that we should take vitamin d in the winter months.

Here is the NHS guide for how much vitamin D to take https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/

Thank you that is really interesting.

Two pots of 6 cup moka here, and tea too.

It is, David McCandless is very good at visualisations, actually portrays real data in an engaging way

I went to on of his talks at the British Museum. While his visualisations are wonderful, I found that he's pretty weak on actual data (if that makes sense).

Interesting, I guess he majors on the visuals rather than the underlying.

I met him soon after his first book came out, seemed a nice enough chap, and was certainly passionate about visualisation, got a signed copy of his book somewhere.

To be fair to him, I was coming out of a particularly gruelling project, where we had to wrangle big swathes of patchy data, and was asking awkward questions.

We did buy the book though.

Ha, buying the book is all that matters.

I’m a little disappointed that I never got to see Hans Rosling give a talk.

That's interesting as the daily recommend intake according to vitamin package labels is 5 microgram but this recommends 10.

3-5 a day? I need to up my dose!