That Starmer fella...

And then fails to really explain how the left is antisemitic, but instead brings up RLB retweeting the interview with Maxine Peake and Corbyn's comment after the release of the report on antisemitism. Neither of which I would really accept as evidence for the claim, but there we are.

As I said on the previous page, we can disagree on opinions but let's not disagree on facts, eh?

We were talking about how Starmer had 'picked a needless civil war with the left'. The only example I've seen of such a thing is when he excluded two MPs (one from the whip, one from the shadow cabinet) for unapologetically applauding antisemitic conspiracy theories on the one hand, and minimising antisemitism on the other. And I referred to both of those things directly, because I don't think it's an example of what's being talked about. If he has started a war, it's a war on antisemitism, and frankly one that's overdue.

If @frank9755 was talking about something else there -or if you're talking about something else there - then I suggest you tell me what it is. I'm not a mindreader.

On another note, this Starmer speech is great. Holding the tories to account - which is great - but also, crucially, providing a credible alternative. The economic stuff is very much like what John McDonnell was doing last year before we torpedoed our credibility - talking about working hand in hand with business to improve society. It's what we need more of.

On the secretary thing, all I'm doing here is mimicking the tiresome requests for 'proof' whenever this conversation comes up with left wing people.

I don't read that as saying that the entire left is antisemitic so no I would still say that noone is saying that the entire left is antisemitic. If you take it completely out of the context of the discussion then maybe. So where is it being said in this thread?

This is all being mentioned in the context of Starmer being ruthless against the left wing of the party as it is currently hysterically perceived by that wing.

The argument is that Starmers main public actions against the leftwing of the party, sidelining RBL (because of her unapologetic antisemitic statements) and kicking corbyn out of the party (because of his unapologetic minimising of racism in the party) has got nothing to do with their socialism and everything to do with their racism. That statement is clearly referring to this and he illustrates that with the RBL and Corbyn points.

The way I see it, the only people currently conflating antisemitism and 'all socialists are somehow inherently antisemitic' are portions of the left of the party who cannot accept that the old regime was run by people who were racist towards jews and therefore being censured because of it.

This isn't 'banging on about antisemitism, it's just ensuring that the narrative of 'centrist kieth hates the left and good socialist Jeremy because he's a tory' isn't seen as the only reason why the previous regime have been sidelined.