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  • Corbyn faced a coup in 2016—again, less than a year into his premiership—for receiving poll results not dissimilar to Starmer's latest Survation poll

    He faced a coup for his Brexit stance - even the coverage from the time makes that clear. It's fine to disagree with someone's opinions but let's not disagree over facts.

    Yes, Starmer is better at managing the PLP, but that is only made possible by the fact that he represents the dominant wing of the party.

    Corbyn's wing had full control of the party machinery in 2019, from NEC to LOTO, and we had our worst result in a hundred years.

  • Apologies, I got that bit wrong.

    Still, my point still stands re the compliance of the PLP—there is no way the left would be able to wield the power to attempt a coup on Starmer, even if this was their aim (I haven't heard anything from Burgon or Abbott to that effect).

  • Still, my point still stands re the compliance of the PLP—there is no way the left would be able to wield the power to attempt a coup on Starmer, even if this was their aim (I haven't heard anything from Burgon or Abbott to that effect).

    That's true, the Socialist Campaign Group of MPs is relatively small. But so too were the number of centrist MPs openly gunning for Corbyn before the Brexit vote.

    It was the dawning realisation of how enormous a disaster Brexit was, and how badly Labour had managed its campaign (something which the 'seven and a half out of ten' quote seemed to sum up) to Remain, that really galvanised MPs into doing something. Sure, i'm sure the hard core always loathed him, but it's that broader narrative that built the PLP up into a workable coup. Trust me, if Starmer presides over anything so disasterous, you'll see the same thing triggered from the left of the party. We're nowhere near that yet though.

    I'm not a huge Corbyn fan but I am prepared to accept that Brexit was the single worst set of circumstances to hit a Labour leader since the second world war. All his options were dog shit. But I still think he could've made a difference to that 48/52 vote, and I think he chose not to.

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