Let's offroad / mountain bike / mtb / ride dirt

who do you identify with?

Yeah, I have a 50mm front tyre on the grave bike and will stick a 2.1" Mezcal on the back when I've killed the Venture. To be fair, once I have a hardtail, I'll probably drop the tyre sizes on the gravel bike down to nicer road/gravel.

Mmm I want a XC BIKE

Well the clothes of the top and the riding position of the bottom.

120 is plenty for adventure riding. Sag will be around 30%.

thing is, if you get an XC bike as opposed 'progressive geo' (a term coined by @BareNecessities ) it wont be hugely diff to your gravel bike

where do you want to ride it?

"For every 2cm of sag the head tube steepens by 1 degree. Cotic geo charts take sag into account."

30% of 120 = 36mm so head tube is roughly 2 degrees steeper when my fat arse is on the bike? So, effectively a 68?

Progressive geo means what?

Mountains and shit so the terrain will vary from road to gravel to rocky rooty singletrack (or singlestack as I like to call it)

vs

longer wheelbase, slacker HT, more travel suspension etc.

top ones a gravel bike, wrong thread

lol, that thing ain't progressive. This is progressive:

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20 years ago it'd be backcountry bike or trail bike or something.

What about something that would mostly live with a suspension fork but could have a rigid fork whacked on for epic long shit? Most of the TD rigs are rigid but that's basically what I have in my gravel bike already.

Maybe I should find some more of these newer bike to fuck around with to see what actually feels good.

Hence no dual-suss losing me all that triangle space

Some full sus bikes allow decent framebag space

Edit - might look a bit daft with a rigid fork though

Modern geo = longer & slacker.

Options for 120 mm travel steel 29ers:

Cotic SolarisMax
Pipedream Sirius
Kona Unit
Surly KM
Marin Pine Mountain

Other option that gets good reviews but isn't steel:
Santa Cruz Chameleon (though SC seem to inspire ire)

edit: boost just seems to be standard now...I regret not buying a boost frameset.

That doesn't look healthy. Imagine if I was on that...

Nah, need to draw the line. Hardtail it shall be. I already don't like the idea of suspension servicing nonsense.

Surly KM

These are the same, yeah?

Hippy wishes he has a nosecone Shiv

Cane Creek Helm fork is adjustable, so you can (with a fairly modest collection of tools) select your suspension travel and therefore head angle. TBH I don't anticipate ever actually changing mine from the 150mm that I set it too when I bought it, but it's nice to know that I could do so if I wanted to.

The bike I got for Fenella so I could stop fixing her hire bike every time we went for a ride together seems pretty good - it's a Bird Zero AM.

They're a nice bunch who will build whatever you want/to a price point that you specify.

Is it for actually riding the Tour Divide? @turnpedal might have some ideas

Nah I just let my retinas burn out.

that is hot