• I realise this is part of the wider issue, but I'm finding it super difficult to put myself in their shoes and come to the same conclusion. Economy wise we're cutting ourselves out of a huge group with the hopes of negotiating better trade deals with the countries we had deals with. Somehow thinking that the UK alone was in a better position than the EU. NHS was going to get all that EU money is assuming the EU is doing absolutely nothing of value for the UK, unbelievably naive/blinkered. 3 and 4 seem relatively unconvinced so I'm unsure why they'd chose the 'leap into the unknown' over keeping the status quo.

    I don't want to be thinking that everyone who voted to leave was basically anti-immigration and has since been hiding behind paper thin alternative arguments (and to be honest, I'm fairly confident that this is not actually the case). But in the last 5 years, I've not seen any solid alternatives. Well, other than people will just lap up whatever headlines are thrown at them and blindly believe it.

    I just find it incredibly frustrating that even stepping back and thinking about any of these arguments for a minute, they immediately fall apart. Hence finding it so difficult to accept the cries of "We were lied to!" to try to get some sympathy.

  • I don't want to be thinking that everyone who voted to leave was basically anti-immigration and has since been hiding behind paper thin alternative arguments

    To me this is the tragedy of the whole thing. With my cynical hat on I think that Brexit could have been headed off in 2015 early in Cameron’s second term with some token concessions on freedom of movement. Only the looney ERG actually care about the sovereignty stuff as well, right?

  • He could have introduced registration for newly arrived EU furrin's and then start to enforce all EU rules (criminality checks, find work in 3 months etc...) not even any need for EU concessions.

    And then advertise how much of a hard man he is...even so, would that have seen off Murdoch?

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