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I tried to tell yourman the economy is doing well IN THE EU and that there were no guarantees England would help us, cos they don't even help "their own".
I am not really super sympathetic, but sympathetic enough or empathic enough, or whatever that I think the liars were pretty good at this, and they screwed everyone over.
Several people online admitted they bought the NHS bullcrap, I mean, that's a super low scumbag marketing idea of C****ngs.
Now we are all in the crap, but that means the leavers too and if listening to their hurt means we can come up with some solutions a bit better, maybe that's the way to go.
I still have to avoid online comments though, FFS, you'd think 4 years on the simplistic bullshit over immigrants and the EU would be more informed, but nah. And deffo there are bigoted arseholes out there, people with no brain and no heart.
Only reason I could move on is because I think they are incapable and may as well get angry with a slug. Expect I am not Boris and C****ngs and don't step on the slugs ;)
Immigration wasn't a big issue in NI,
JWestland-
For sure there's a middle-ground between portraying leave voters as victims of being lied to, and pointing and laughing while shouting "You won, get over it". While I'd love to believe that these people are more likely to be a bit more reasonable now that they've been screwed over for those they voted for. But I think it's more likely that they'll just dig in their heels even more. Honestly I have no ideas on how to sort out that issue!
mmccarthy
I realise this is part of the wider issue, but I'm finding it super difficult to put myself in their shoes and come to the same conclusion. Economy wise we're cutting ourselves out of a huge group with the hopes of negotiating better trade deals with the countries we had deals with. Somehow thinking that the UK alone was in a better position than the EU. NHS was going to get all that EU money is assuming the EU is doing absolutely nothing of value for the UK, unbelievably naive/blinkered. 3 and 4 seem relatively unconvinced so I'm unsure why they'd chose the 'leap into the unknown' over keeping the status quo.
I don't want to be thinking that everyone who voted to leave was basically anti-immigration and has since been hiding behind paper thin alternative arguments (and to be honest, I'm fairly confident that this is not actually the case). But in the last 5 years, I've not seen any solid alternatives. Well, other than people will just lap up whatever headlines are thrown at them and blindly believe it.
I just find it incredibly frustrating that even stepping back and thinking about any of these arguments for a minute, they immediately fall apart. Hence finding it so difficult to accept the cries of "We were lied to!" to try to get some sympathy.