• Maybe a completely independent NI, like Scotland is aiming for, tell everyone to fuck off!

    I’m not sure traditional unionism had the mental agility to become pro join - the abortion story being an example.

    In a way I can empathize a little with the unionists, they got used by their leadership.

    I think it’s more accurate to say they let themselves get used, with this bullshit steadfast adherence to the concept of a true-blue UK which no one else parrots, and cutting your nose off to spite your face is a different thing.

  • I think it’s more accurate to say they let themselves get used, with this bullshit steadfast adherence to the concept of a true-blue UK which no one else parrots, and cutting your nose off to spite your face is a different thing.

    +1 to this. I have a hard time buying the "We got lied to!" bunch. Especially for people in NI who voted for this. For folks on the UK mainland sure, where to draw the lines around NI in a UK/EU split is probably not a step that they knew/cared about. But for people in NI, you'd have to be incredibly naive/blinkered to not see that this is going to result in a new border (whichever side it may be on). For me, voting for that is effectively saying you're fine going back to how things were in the not too distant past.

    I imagine the unionists who voted for it were doing so believing that they'd further distance themselves from the South, but in trying to screw over another group it's just backfired on themselves. Bit of a recurring theme when it comes to Brexit. It's hard not to see the UK as Wile E. Coyote here.

  • It's hard not to see the UK as Wile E. Coyote here.

    But without the charm.

  • I've spoken to several I don't think it's that simple.

    Sure any ones that will vote tuv instead of DUP are hardliners. Feck em.

    And it's also definitely true Brexit voting areas were far from the UK border on Ireland.

    And yep it massively backfired.

    But the Unionist papers were not that honest about Brexit and here too some people saw it as low risk, economic reward.

    To say -all- voted to spite a united Ireland / SF is a bit simple and simple stories can kill here.

    Still waiting on Jim Allister's head to explode from rage, scanners style 😁

  • I have a hard time buying the "We got lied to!" bunch.

    The thing is that we all got lied to, but some of us knew not to believe it. All the information & projections were there for everyone.

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