• I do understand the difference between gaming a system and deliberately defrauding it and guess what - yes they are the same to me in that I would find doing either unconscionable during a global pandemic.

    I’m not keen on getting involved, but I did want to say that I think this statement is a bit unfair (for lack of a better word). My understanding of Lynx’s reasoning for his vaccine suggestion is that there are doses potentially going to waste because of various reasons but mainly administrative ones that need sorting out. Your centre has found uses for the surplus, but he found a centre that was content to apply the vaccine to a walk-in. Is it more morally questionable to allow a life-saving medicine to be lost, or to try and find a use for it even on one’s self? He’s not exactly cutting the queue, and his reasoning was sound enough that the centre staff agreed with it.

    I’m not saying one moral choice is preferable to the other, I’m just saying that there’s a valid argument to be made for both, and his reasoning isn’t necessarily stupid or fraudulent. His suggestion may be misguided in that we should all be locked down, but it’s in response to an actual moral and administrative insufficiency.

    Do the centres have a list of less-at-risk people who are 100% committed to dropping whatever they’re doing at 4pm and going to get vaccinated from the surplus doses? It’s a job for the GPs, but perhaps that’s a way to minimise spoilage.

    Adding: I wouldn’t recommend following Lynx’ suggestion, please register your interest with your GP instead.

  • I can only speak from my experience of this but, at the hub we are supporting, there is surplus at the end of most days, which is offered to the volunteers who keep the place running.

    Whilst it sounds sensible, in theory to make that available to others rather than chucking it, I think it would be problematic. An influx at 4pm would place unfair pressure on staff and volunteers trying to maintain a COVID secure environment. Unless you did it on a nod and a wink there would be a high risk of large numbers travelling across London and crowds at the hub. How would we allocate the surplus, assuming numbers turning up on spec exceeded the available doses, which they probably would? What about people turning up without the required information so that the vaccine can be recorded and GP records updated? It would potentially be a nightmare free for all and place staff and volunteers in an unenviable position. Without them, you can’t run the hub.

    Things could certainly be improved, although a lot of recent problems have been down to older people struggling to get out in the cold weather - lots of stories, whether true or not, of having to stand and wait outside e.g. at Lords. But people turning up on the off chance - and I know this isn’t what you’re suggesting- isn’t the answer.

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