https://hangbird.net/en/
These look quite nice but they want silly money for it.
ooo that might solve our placement problem. We don't have a central joist in the ceiling any more but we do have timber round the edges.
you mean by using their adhesive hooks? I hadn't seen that before -- the pain of fixing them to the ceiling was the main thing that kept me from ordering.
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https://hangbird.net/en/
These look quite nice but they want silly money for it.