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How is it a backward step? They are clear that they are open to anyone joining them. The fact that people felt that club was needed shows there must be a problem (even if it's just perceived) and should it be up to their members to go blaze a trail against racism when all they want to do is go out and ride.
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This is your 4th post on this forum and you go straight to this thread.
Tell about yourself a little so we know something about you before you post.To me you seem like an All lives matter person aiming to negate the blm point, of centuries of racism.
I was a member of a Jewish tennis club in Liverpool in the 70s, when Jews were not that welcome in other tennis clubs. It was a safe haven where we could enjoy a sport we loved without issues and prejudice. Still exists I think. Anyone can join then and now
I know the guys from this club and have done some training with them. They welcome anyone.
Please elaborate what your issue is.
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You don't get it, I have been there. I don't get lots of stuff. But here is my take on it. Cycling is a very white class based thing. It takes alot to break that.
There are groups that cater for groups of the society that are marginalised. This is a good thing, helps people feel cycling is for all, not just and elite group.
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All lives matter person aiming to negate the blm
That term grates om me, not at you skydancer, at people. It is simple either all lives are equal or no lives are equal. If you don't get that, then you are wrong.
EDIT - I am using the wrong words. I know all lives are not equal, and people say that grates as it is not true. Are the people that say this be that blinkered?
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All lives can’t matter if Black lives don’t.
Some of the founding fathers who voiced the ideal that “all of us are created equal” were slave owners
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Here’s a nice video to explain
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It is simple either all lives are equal or no lives are equal. If you don't get that, then you are wrong.
Jeebus. The phrase "Black lives matter" was coined in response to a system in which they clearly don't, it wasn't created to say "other lives don't matter". "All lives matter" is most commonly used by people to whom white lives matter most.
Pick any issue where people are campaigning against injustices against group X, you'll find assholes and edgelords saying "You aren't fighting for V, W, Y and Z so you're hypocrites." Never mind that the experiences and problems of one group of people are often unique and have their own complications, "You should be fighting for all humans" say the assholes who are fighting for none and enjoying their privilege.
This many pages into this thread, shouldn't be necessary to restate that.
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it wasn't created to say "other lives don't matter"
Succinct and clear. I would go a step further and say that the All Lives Matter slogan is most often toted by people who refuse to acknowledge the vast disparity in how black people are treated by the system and society. While BLM is saying ‘we deserve to be treated the same as others’, ALM is saying ‘there’s nothing wrong with how you’re treated, you just want special treatment’.
By any metric, people of different races are not treated equally. BLM exists because ALM is currently a false statement.
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was going to mention it, but then thought better of it.
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I've heard that some people of colour are actually born here nowadays.
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countries new found apparent systemic racism
Sharing this link for the benefit of the non-trolls among us.
New found... dumb cunt.
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Link works for me
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I'm sure it was conclusive proof of this countries racism though.
You're not doing a bad job of proving that yourself.
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Yeah all of that is related to parental upbringing
Wait, wut.
You think that racism in the UK isn't institutional and endemic, but that it is the product of bad parenting?
You think that, for example, the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry report which came to the conclusion that the MET police were institutionally racist and gave many bullet point examples of this... doesn't really exist, because the police aren't institutionally racist as really this is the product of bad parenting?
Feel free to knock yourself out on that report (page 369): https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/277111/4262.pdf
It remains applicable, because none of the findings were acted upon.
A random page I scrolled to from the authors of the report:
We all agree that institutional racism affects the MPS, and Police Services elsewhere. Furthermore our conclusions as to Police Services should not lead to complacency in other institutions and organisations. Collective failure is apparent in many of them, including the Criminal Justice system. It is incumbent upon every institution to examine their policies and the outcome of their policies and practices to guard against disadvantaging any section of our communities.
The govt and justice system themselves have found the police to be institutionally racist... but you find otherwise, and parents are to blame?!
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Maybe you should read a few more replies
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Just ban the clown already, about 30 posts in and they are on to racist tropes.
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Back in the early 80s, there was some stir in the press about a black British soldier who'd had an exemplary career and was a cornet in one of the Guards regiments, but who was barred from ceremonies like the changing of the guard because black (the Guards had a colour bar until the late 60s and even after that operated a strict and small cap on the percentage of non-white soldiers). Apparently the British public wasn't ready to see a black face in ceremonial uniform guarding Buckingham palace. He was eventually included in those public ceremonies, later in the decade, but left shortly after because of constant racist abuse from within and without the regiment.
Pretty simple example of systemic racism, with the official system being blatantly racist by policy (and very tolerant of the racism suffered by one soldier at the hands of his "comrades"). But it's only half the story.
One reason I remember this story is because when it hit the news, somebody I was at school with at that time and who had ambitions to join the forces was very agitated about it - on the side of the racist regiment and the racist public. If the public didn't want to see a black face in front of the palace, then the regiment was doing the right thing, blah, blah, blah. It's quite possible that he wouldn't have barred a black trooper from ceremonial duty (if he'd had that authority) if there weren't objections from other Guards and the public, but since there were objections he clearly felt he was being patriotic by supporting the system.
He did go on to join the forces (not the Guards, but that doesn't matter), which slowly changed around him as British society changed and dragged the forces along (very grudgingly). I still hear from him occasionally and he seems to have adjusted to those advances. But if you ask him if his own career benefited at all from privilege and preferential treatment, he's outraged. The fact I pointed out that he had supported a system that was explicitly prepared to give him better opportunities than non-white soldiers, well, that's one of the reasons we don't talk much.
Which is the other half of systemic racism - people conniving in it while refusing to acknowledge that it exists. Often even when they don't directly benefit, but have pegged their sense of identity to the system and won't hear it criticised.
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