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I think I’m at the 1 in 1 out stage of bikes, or at least ongoing projects. I think that’s an inch too big for me anyway.
I checked with the seller on the Hobbs Blue Riband on Ebay - it is Bristol so local to me and £40 is a good price even with 2 tubes to be replaced. Anyway, 1952 by my understanding, so another nice project:
Seat tube is 21.5" centre to top, top tube is 22.5" centre to centre.
Frame number is C2314 - I think - it's not super clear through the paint on the dropout.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Hobbs-Blue-Riband-Road-Frame-Needs-Repair-/254848267549That’s probably an inch too small for me (edit - going on the seattube, which seems a worse measure than top tube imo).
I know that an inch either way isn’t the end of the world, can be solved with more/less seatpost, stem projection, etc. I’d be interested in @clubman’s opinion / experience, or anyone else, ... I know the fashion was for big frames with saddles on the top tube, short projection and now it’s small frame, long projection, weight forward. When was a big frame fashionable? 40s/50s? Has that fluctuated? Seems like it’s just been a move towards smaller frames.
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I like the Hobbs but can't see the tube creases mentioned in the listing.
I think some of the history of frame sizes is connected to the seat tube angle and changes to this. Article on the use of "Gallows" seat posts has a mention of this - https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/1046007-gallows-style-seatpost-english-roadster-cycles-why-were-they-discontinued.html
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Fistful of seatpost
For mid century bikes.Slightly smaller frames in the 30s I think.
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I like the Bates BAR that the Hobbs seller has but repairs and amendments put me off.
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Frame Size Fashions
I agree with Absurdbird that in the fifties the fashion was for largish frames with only a small amount of seatpost exposed.
It's in the nature of fashion to react- mini skirts will inevitably be followed by maxi dresses, at least for a while. Cyclists like to think, when they are specifying their new kit, that they are making decisions in accordance with recently discovered engineering principles. They hope these new ideas will help them go faster than the previous generation of riders and, naturally, the trade is not going to discourage ideas that involve their customers buying new equipment.
In the Edwardian period (pre WW1) it seems to have been normal to have the saddle pretty much directly on top of the seat lug - this may well have encouraged the sloping down top tube which was common at that time. After the war the opposite style became the norm with plenty of seat post exposed, and this is probably why many of the surviving inter-war frames are on the small side. Naturally, post WW2 , as Absurdbird says, the fashion went the other way and there was less seatpost on show. Not everyone followed this trend and it's important to remember that money was scarce: many of us made do with what we happened to have.
When I ordered my first frame as an adult puchaser in 1975 I thought I needed a 22.5" frame, and possibly I did, because it was hard then to find a long seat pin. Gradually I've reduced my desired frame size to 21", and I feel much happier with this - too big a frame makes it hard to ride out of the saddle as the top tube gets in the way.
It seems to me that the limitation on reducing frame size is the amount of the handlebar stem above the headset that you are prepared to tolerate, so a headlclip h/set gives you another inch to play with.
So, right now I'm going out fot a little ride before it starts snowing - my machine: 21" Sunbeam, with headclip.
SideshowBob
absurdbird
clubman
Looks interesting, messaged the seller on the size.
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56.5 cm c-c both top and seat tube. Seat tube c-t 58cm.