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Again, not celebrating, just some people are less of a loss to society if the only thing they bring to it is pain and misery.

So are you denying the possibility that there are some good police officers in the US who try to do a good job despite the inherent and deep-seated problems in many police forces? And if you think that anyone who joins the police, regardless of their motivation, is evil and corrupt, how do you propose that the law should be enforced? Or is it better to have no law enforcement at all?

If someone looks at the US police force and decides "that's for me" then they're contributing to the problem, despite best intentions to not do any murders themselves. I don't belive the theory of law enforcement is corrupt but as it is at the moment it's unaccountable and unsuited for the job.

Folks go to sleep. You can figure all this out tomorrow.

So in your view there are, by definition, no police officers in the US who joined the force for decent and honourable reasons and who are fundamentally good people?

You have to ignore a LOT of obvious bullshit to be a recruit. Don't know how you can do that and not feel complicit. Needs reform innit.

Anywho, talking about cops is gonna ruin my sleep.

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Don't know how you can do that and not feel complicit.

Maybe by feeling that it's better for good and honourable people to change the culture from the inside?

Needs reform innit.

More a culture change, I'd say. The thing that most changed British policing in my lifetime was the Lawrence report, and the willingness of some members of the force to accept its findings. I appreciate that the position in the US is very different, and I have no personal experience of US law enforcement, but while I reject the 'few bad apples' argument, I'm open to the suggestion that there might be a few good ones.

There are an infinitesimal number of tragedies and people in my country worth more tears than the suicide of someone who woke up every day and decided to keep being a fucking cop.

You do know that infinitesimal means tiny, right - it's not an intensified form of infinite?

And for what it's worth, I think it's a bit sociopathic to celebrate anyone coming to the point where they take their own life, no matter how they may or may not have conducted their life up to that point.

Definitely doesn't know it.

Sociopathic is just part of it.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/30/politics/butch-bowers-deborah-barbier-trump-impeachment-team/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Not that anyone will be influenced by the lawyers at an impeachment trial

i forsee lots of donald represents himself in court memes

change the culture from the inside?

Naïve IMO, might be a one person difference, not that scale needed

Lawrence report has not made much of a difference IMO. Mine and my friends and my familys experience with the filth here is disgusting. Beating, killing. It might appear to be far removed from US policing but from here, doesn't feel a whole lot different. I've been pinned down unnessecerily, forcefully, completely unwarranted, on more than a dozen occasions. And friends have lost a lot more than that. My experience is almost always of agressive bullying, belittling, regular racist remarks and even remembering those instances makes me so angry.
I've never been a criminal, but I grew up like one.

I'm not really comfortable talking any more personally about it. At least it sounds like there's an agreement in here that it needs to change (we'll US policing at least)
Also pointed out clearly that I still wouldn't celebrate the death, just can't feel a whole lot of remorse.
Leaving it at that

Been following this... Moments of calm, I can see why people are also emotional. It's really sad that so many here have had to deal with suicide and others with police harassment, either directly or indirectly.

Your experiences are valid, but there's a time when you've all got to realise you're shouting past each other and that's not really constructive any longer.

It's a new day, move on.

Moved on, unfollowed last night, but only brought back by a direct reply. Remaining unfollowed, others can continue to have their 'politics chat'

So what's trump doing?

Looking up 'Lawyers' in the Yellow Pages.

Who knows? Two weeks of absolute silence from him is great, isn’t it?

It’s ominous is what it is.

I don’t think so. Trump doesn’t do things behind the scenes or on the quiet. If he was up to something he’d be bleating about it on one of the forms of SM that he’s not banned from. I think he’s still sulking.

Isn’t he still suspended from all social media platforms?

The is what WIllMelling was referencing

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/31/donald-trumps-impeachment-defence-in-disarray-as-lead-lawyers-quit-reports

Also for @ChainBreaker

Not always true - especially when his kids are involved. Remember how little we knew about Bannon and Cambridge Analytica etc before his election?