Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

The last thing we need is more conspiracy theories.

27.5" is forever, as long as people are forced to use the same bike both on and off road

Exactly what someone would say trying to keep it a secret. I'm onto you buddy.

He's not really saying much. It's a weight argument when most people don't give two shits about it. Frame manufacturers haven't really struggled to accommodate 700c at all.
700c is better for all unless you're of a shorter stature.
I say as someone who still rides 26".

I have a different frame. I just vaguely remembered you talking to hippy about fitting wide tires and i was interested to know if you were using the same guards with them.

Maybe I just craved some more pics of your bike for inspiration.

I think now that I should optimize the fenders for wet road rather than wet off road.

He’s gone for the breakaway but the fairlights were next choice;

He does fly with the bike at least once a year so that was the main catch with anything else!

What's the clearance like on the frame?

I say as someone who still rides 26".

High five.

The strongest argument IMO is ride characteristics. A 650x42-47 handles better with drop bars than a 700x42-47. Add full mudguards into the mix and the 650 wins hands down. I say this at 190cm on a frame that could handle 700. IMO/2p/subjective/etc

I think if I was racing a big gravel event like they have in the states where some sections can be quite rocky, without mudguards, I would run a 700x42 for the angle of attack argument, which I think would be valid over a long distance.

But I ride 50/50 on/off road and 650bx42 with full guards is perfect.

Now we’re back on tyres, should we switch back to eviscerating GRX in Feb?

I've got gear ratio arguments scheduled for February.

Maybe we can talk about how rubbish steel frames are?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb4ktAbmr_4

The strongest argument IMO is ride characteristics. A 650x42-47 handles better with drop bars than a 700x42-47. Add full mudguards into the mix and the 650 wins hands down. I say this at 190cm on a frame that could handle 700. IMO/2p/subjective/etc.

Not only that, but also the weight, 650b is noticeably lighter than a similar 700c option.

A 650b 48mm tyres weight similar to a 700c 38mm tyres, on top of the wheels tend to be slightly lighter than 700c.

Honestly, unless bicycle like the Trek Checkpoint SL are design with massive 700c in mind, it’s all subjective.

Pray for 650b

Just have a look at what MTB guys ride. 650b it's for tiny bikes.
It's fine for chucking big tires in frames not designed for it though

650bad

700chad

That comparison is a radical oversimplification. There are many more variables between mtb and gravel to consider that affect wheel diameter decision.

Just have a look at what MTB guys ride.

Why? They have a different set of problems to solve in the design of those bikes.

I'm with Snoops on this. 650b actually makes sense for both small road & gravel bikes ... but also Road+ bikes if you'd still like a bike nimble (steering and accelerating) at low speeds with less toe overlap.

Holy smokes.

I like. A lot.

taps skull

no need to worry about toe overlap if you don't have to turn

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700c

Can't turn. Don't want to either.

Red looks more like the 'falling off' line

Red is the path my body takes?
Lellow is the path my bike takes?

#newshit

i would simply hop the big rock