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Tenners in reply to @withered_preacher

I think tyres are 650b and wheel is 700c...

Heraldry(ish) question. I have just discovered that my family (Sunderland) crest and motto is identical to another family (more aristocratic, Scrope) that hails from the same region of the UK, what likely relation is my family to theirs. Were my ancestors serfs on their land that took the crest and motto when they got all high and mighty at some point, or is a more biological relationship likely?

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gbj_tester in reply to @Tenners

Heraldry(ish) question

I'm calling bullshit, but if you really think you're entitled to heraldic arms, https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ will confirm it.

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Tenners in reply to @gbj_tester

Interesting, but I think we both know I wasn't trying to claim any actual legal right to bear arms!

Whether officially binding or not, a quick Google search shows multiple sources with the same crest and motto for both families, and I found that curious so wondered if anyone knew more.

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