• I was speaking to my brother at the weekend. He's a GP in a London practice. He's not so optimistic. Like being told to throw away 200 doses of vaccine because the syringes they had available didn't have the right branding on them. Same size, same materials. Different name. Chuck 'em out, you can't use them. And that was only the start.

  • Like being told to throw away 200 doses of vaccine because the syringes they had available didn't have the right branding on them. Same size, same materials. Different name. Chuck 'em out, you can't use them.

    Not to be dismissive or snarky, so apologies if it comes off that way, but I can't help but feel someone's got the wrong end of the stick with this anecdote. And if not, were I told to destroy two hundred doses of a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic due to a branding issue, I'd be on the phone with a superior/the press. That pharmacist in the States was arrested for spoiling 500 doses. People are taking this pretty seriously.

  • I guess approved delivery of a vaccine will have approved needles, syringes etc?

    Not using correct needles might open up to legal issues?

    Although wasteful, there is something to be said in time critical situations where it might be appropriate to just Chuck something and carry on. Fridge capacity, expiry dates and so on.

    I’m more worried about the reported 28% uptake of vaccine from black and ethnic groups.

  • Not to be dismissive or snarky, so apologies if it comes off that way, but I can't help but feel someone's got the wrong end of the stick with this anecdote.

    I don't think so. It was a pretty detailed and lengthy discussion of the point. The practice has been receiving the Pfizer vaccine in batches of 200 glass vials, each intended to contain 5 doses, so 1000 doses per batch. Once the glass vials are warmed up, they have to be reconstituted in order to make up the vaccine. The doctors carrying out the reconstitution process found that in fact they were getting enough for 6 doses rather than 5 from each vial, potentially meaning that they could vaccinate 1200 people with each batch rather than 1000. However, each batch is only supplied with 1000 syringes and needles. They asked whether they could use the practice's existing supply of needles and syringes in order to administer the 'extra' 200 doses, the needles and syringes essentially being interchangeable with the ones supplied with the kit, but were told that they could not, and they could only use additional syringes and needles if they were of the same brand as those supplied with the batches of vaccines, which they didn't have. When they informed the assurance person whose sign-off they need in order to use the vaccine that they only had needles and syringes from a different brand, they were told that in that case they couldn't use the extra 200 doses and should dispose of them.

    Not sure there's really much scope for misunderstanding there.

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