Encrypt all the things!

WhatsApp have an export to email.

It is total size limited... so if you include media it might not be the full media or full chat history... just the most recent that fits in the export size (I'm not sure what the limits are).

Otherwise in Google Photos (if you're on Android), choose to backup the WhatsApp media folders and it will all be copied automatically into Google Photos.

Cheers VB!

Signal seems to have locked me out.

For some reason the app showed my keyboard rather than the number pad, and I think I got the code wrong.

I'm absolutely sure I've got the right code, but it won't let me in.

Anyone else had this?

I've not had that, sorry.

so the Ubiquity thing .. made me relieved that I never bothered to set any of that externally hosted stuff up!

that said, Meraki better not f-up too as you have no choice there

Yeah, it's annoying.

The best way was to not use the cloud stuff, do local auth only, and then have a VPN configured. Sure it risks that if the VPN is down then the network is unreachable remotely, but then if the VPN is down then as it's part of the Ubiquiti system I'd figure that the home network was down and meh... could probably wait until I got home as what could I do anyway.

Another comparison between Telegram and Signal.

A mate of mine decided on Telegram because are of the bots or something.

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Without me hassling her (much) the missus has fucked off all her chats and contacts bar her mum. When she can visit and get Signal installed. Another FUCK YOU to Facebook.

See, people will move.

My downstairs neighbour who isn't particularly technical and to whom I've not mentioned any of this has just appeared on Signal... so yup, people are moving.

I'm noticed my contacts stacking up.

I need to carve out some time to work out what to do about my Spotify. I got it when you got free invites via Facebook, so it's synced with that.

Does anyone know if there's a way of downloading your music history? As I understand it I need to close my current account and reopen a new one so I'd loose all my save lists.

On the pin thing in the end I cleared the cash on my phone. It deleted my messages, but prompted me to sort out my back up.

That's definitely the warning for Signal.

It's secure... very secure. If you fuck anything up but have your phone number then you can always access your account and create new messages. But virtually every other scenario is "unless you manually made a backup and have your backup passphrase, then you have lost your chats". Even adding new devices is "your chats will resume here but you cannot see history on a new device".

This is an extreme take on the security vs convenience question... and if you use Signal you need to keep it in mind.

My downstairs neighbour who isn't particularly technical and to whom I've not mentioned any of this has just appeared on Signal... so yup, people are moving.

I see loads moving to Telegram. I wonder what it is that will cause people to move to Telegram or Signal. I dont think either one of them is adverstising, or influencing anyone directly. What is it in the Societal psychy to pick Telegram over Signal? They know no difference at this stage, the 2 platforms are on equal footing, why the one en mass and not the other?

What is it in the Societal psychy to pick Telegram over Signal?

It's just what people have heard of.

A mate responded with "what about Telegram".

Where would you save the back up?

And would it be different with an iPhone? (does Apple even let you choose where you save stuff?) Thinking about family members with iPhones.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/musk-helps-spur-device-makers-5100percent-rally-on-ticker-confusion/ar-BB1cEU24

I don't use Telegram and won't. The encryption is home-rolled, voodoo and weird. Early on they discovered multiple fundamental issues, and their press doesn't align to their reality: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://habrahabr.ru/post/206900/

The Telegram protocol is such that engineers who work on encryption pull funny contorted faces when looking at what Telegram did.

Where would you save the back up?

And would it be different with an iPhone? (does Apple even let you choose where you save stuff?) Thinking about family members with iPhones.

It's a shit story is the answer.

Signal backups today:

• Must be manually made by pushing the create backup button
  
• Are stored in a folder of your choice locally
  
  

Actually saving that file off of the phone is an exercise left to the owner of the phone. I upload mine to Google Drive, but it doesn't do this automatically.

I see some guides online suggesting the install of an app that will sync any folder on the phone into Google Drive, but I do not let any apps other than Google Apps access Google Drive so I do it manually.

The backup file is encrypted, so it doesn't matter where you put it... you should just get it off your phone somehow.

Thanks.

That's a useful starting point.

Agreed,

Thank you.

I suspect most people will be to lazy for that. (me included)

I dont think either one of them is adverstising

No, but lots of tech news is pushing alternatives.

Chat backups? It's a chat. Did you record all the convos you had down the pub?

I save the odd image and things like phone numbers or addresses if I need them but who reads old chats.

"Oh darling I love you"
"I love you too"
"shit emoticon"
"puke emoticon"
ad infinitum

I love you too darling!

So sweet of you to admit it finally!!!!

You know damn well this isn't the first time. Don't pretend you didn't get all those messages.