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  • forgot to sign out-> DQ

    I thought somebody would do that, since you didn't have to return your number

  • Th0ughts on position? Lap 2, fatigue setting in.
    I feel like I could be more stretched out, and obv maybe lower.


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  • Put your saddle back you slvlss weirdo. Your wrists don't look very comfy.

  • They were surprisingly fine.
    Probably a good point on the saddle. Bike was set up for comfort.
    (so was the rider)

  • weather was dead nice on sunday in the fucking lake district, so i'm asking why you're wearing leg warmers for a 25 in what i assume is the south of england PLEASE ADVISE

  • Seat back is not a bad place to start, then work on finding a position for your arms that allows your head to come down - for me that is quite narrow arms with forearms up around 30-40degrees, which then allows me to shrug my shoulders and my head then naturally drops down whilst still being able to see forwards. I do have rather long neck though...

  • It was cold!
    I was also wearing a full thermal under the skinsuit.
    And merino socks.

    Will have a play with position on the turbo before the next one (should have plenty of time).

  • be bold; start cold

    that's what they say. you'll go faster. comfort engenders sloth.

  • Arse back, hands up, head down - whilst still looking forwards, obviously. It looks as though there's plenty of scope for getting your head between your shoulders more though.

  • agree, saddle up and back
    head lower (keeping eyes up!)

  • I was about to be really unimpressed with tailing yours mates in a car with a massive tailwind, but his last 100m TT was almost 30mph so fair play.

  • Here's a reminder of Christmas past.

    If you could manage to ride a decent 25 on Christmas day you stood a fair chance of getting on the front cover of Cycling.

    There were 72 entrants, but only 30 starters on a day of constant heavy rain. The event was held on what was then a new version of the Amersham Road course, starting a little north of the town to avoid new traffic lights in Amersham (they've gone now). This must have been the same course that was used when I rode this event in the late seventies, without distinguishing myself.

    The main challenge for those wanting to ride was really having the necessary diplomatic skills to absent oneself from home on Christmas morning without destroying domestic relationships. My own marriage did survive, but I'm not sure how I managed it.

    The same issue of Cycling reports one other Christmas day 25 (Tyneside Vagabonds) and three
    10's, plus a number of other TT's and Cyclo Cross events in the same week. What wonderful enthusiasm!

    For the record, Jackson's actual time was 1.2.40, Dick Goodman was second with 1.3.15, and Paul Bennett third with 1.5.47. Cycling reports that Bennett, who was later 25 Champion ( 1965, I think), rode 'one of the revolutionary small wheeled bicycles.' Presumably a Moulton - they never were much cop for time trials, however much Alex Moulton pushed them.


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  • Awesome, any details of this route? May do this today, once as a warm up then once race paced fixed. Lucy will be keen as well.

  • Sorry, I've only just seen this, so I'm afraid you've missed the chance of doing it today.

    Here is the course, as well as I can remember it. It was called HCC113, and somewhere there must be a formal description, but my memory will probably be good enough for your purposes - an accurate mileometer might be helpful, but don't forget you can't really compare the speed you do riding round a course with a performance with a number on your back in an actual race - that would always be faster.

    From Amersham Old Town go north west along the high street to the junction with the A413 and carry on towards Aylesbury. There is an embankment on your right, and after less than a mile you will see a turning to the right - an unclassified road going towards Chesham - there is a footpath more or less opposite going to Mop End. This is the start and finish area - I can't give you the exact positions, but if you base your course on the turning you won't be far out.

    Now all is simple. Go towards Aylesbury on the A413, just continue on the main road at Wendover turning right near the start of the town and then left as signposted. On the outskirts of Aylesbury you come to what is best described as a triangular circulatory system (visible on a map). Go round this and retrace the route to the finish.

    I'm not sure I'd really recommend riding this course now - the A413 is very busy considering its width, but it's certainly possible to do it.

    Riding old TT courses does have a certain appeal. A few years ago I rode over the old Bath Road 100 course (Aldermaston, Pangbourne, Watlington, Nuneham Courtney, retrace to the Bath Road , then out to Savernake Forest, turn and retrace to the 48th milestone (near the Aldermaston turning). Unfortunately most of the roads are now too hellish with traffic for enjoyable riding.

    I think the Bath Road Hilly 50 would be an exception - I don't know this one accurately, but I know a man who does, so this could be a project for 2021.

  • On this day in 2008


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  • Thank you! It's a very fast one but probably too dangerous these days. Had a nice ride from amersham to Christmas Common instead, but thanks for the knowledge!

  • I can't see a number, but I assume you had one. Is this the Amersham Road, what did you do?

  • Is this the Amersham Road, what did you do?

    No, Maidenhead Thicket (H10/2). For some reason I don't seem to have recorded what I did and the club website doesn't go back that far. I imagine it was 29 something.

    Edit: Tracklog says I got off the gas at 30:05, so I'm going with that.

  • They still run events on that road, they just start in Missenden rather than Amersham. Hillingdon Triathletes run an evening 10 on the Amersham road course in the Summer. H10/4 is the course code
    https://www.strava.com/segments/1850857?hl=en-GB

    There's the H25/4 version as well, but there aren't many of those run, I don't think? https://ridewithgps.com/routes/198079?lang=en
    ?lang=en

    Driving on the Wendover bypass is horrific (the width means some idiots feel the need overtake each other REALLY badly), but I didn't find it too bad to ride, strangely?

  • Anyone got knowledge of other split nose saddles like ism pn1.0 / dash stage ?

  • I must've done some of those courses. There's that one and there was another one on the A413 that used to start and finish further south. Like, you started under an overpass or something. I used to train on that road every Sat and Sun. It's fast but full of knobheads so the single lane bits were always joyful, given British driver's love of cyclists.
    I've seen a few car crashes on the Wendover and some proper dickhead moves so yeah, it does seem to be a bit of a local race track or something. Also has some shit head throw something at me from the train station. I rode up and around to see if I could hurt someone but they'd fucked off. It might've won me some events but I don't miss doing those long miles around all the A roads out there.

  • PN 30.0C
    Length: 255mm
    Width: 120mm
    Rails: 7×9 oval carbon rails requiring carbon compatible seat clamp
    £400

    PL1.0 (Breakaway)
    Length: 275mm
    Width: 135mm
    Padding: 30-Series Foam and Gel
    £I own a green well-used Breakaway and a white one on Mason
    Regarding new molding style: ISM has "no plans to change the PL1.0"

    PN3.0 (new)
    Length: 255mm
    Width: 120mm
    Padding: 30-Series Foam
    £128, used for Race Around Netherlands. Seemed to prefer PL1.0/Breakaway so went back to them

    PN1.0 (Attack)
    Length: 275mm
    Width: 110mm
    Padding: 25-Series Foam and Gel
    £135 - I own a white BNIB Attack
    £131, ebay ~ £55 white

    PN1.1 - 40 series padding (most), my most hated saddle, sold one, still have one in Oz on road bike maybe?

    Adamo Road - 30 series padding, upward slope rear, my preferred TT saddle

    PS1.0 (replaces Adamo Time Trial) - 15 series padding (firmest), upward slope rear, £150

    Adamo Podium has least (15-Series) padding, on Tarmac for now.
    They don't make this saddle any more. 

    Others:
    Specialized Sitero - hard, maybe not so good for upright riding. Feels ok on commutes
    Dash - Tri.7 - unused

  • Sorry I should have been clear and said that are not ism.
    That sitero looks more like the dash strike, which isn't so comfy on road bike.

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