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The whole border thing was ridiculous point scoring.

I reckon that may have been done with a partial eye on concentrating minds on the UK side as to what a no-deal Brexit will look like.

Didn’t you sack all your staff on day 1 of the pandemic and vote for Brexit? Spare me.

Perhaps, but if we were in France's position, with almost as many deaths, and currently increasing but not surging infection rates, and your neighbouring country has a big surge in cases attributed to a more infectious variant of the virus, what would you do?

An interesting question is whether we do the same if similar thing happen in France.

I honestly think our government wouldn’t closed the border even if this mean it will overwhelmed our health service.

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We banned travel from Denmark when the mink virus mutation was discovered.

Not saying Boris isn't a cunt - he totally is but I doubt this national rule was put in place a month ago, with the view to allowing Boris to spend Christmas with his inlaws.

Yeah this. We shouldn't be castigating the Government for providing a much needed lifeline to new parents. Weird flex by the FT - if they want to find some shit to fling at Johnson it's not like there isn't plenty of ammo.

In our Brexiteer, blame anyone but yourself culture?
Absolutely no doubt.
A good proportion of the country would be waving flags and claiming it as good excuse for an early Brexit no doubt

The UK put the 10 day self isolation rule in place. I believe the reciprocal requirement in France was threatened, but isn't compulsory.

I'm guessing some freight is coming across still?
As far as I know, most of the Pfizer vaccine and the Oxford vaccine come over from Netherlands and Germany? Germany have transport until 6th Jan 2021.

Hopefully someone competent in the NHS supply chain wouldn’t be content to let the vaccines sit in a lorry park for days. They (edit- meaning the wider government, not the nhs) can always throw more money at getting them on ferries or planes.

How do the support bubble rules exclude working class people?

Closing the border, leaving those stranded in the region where the strain is most dominant for two days seems counter productive.

I suppose a bubble can be -any- family?

But if you can't WFH you are more at risk of getting ill and people nearby may also in a similar position so it's hard to get help.

The government could put WFH people that aren't in high risk groups in touch with families that need help for a bubble?

I guess I could go out but who do you choose to help? My son's school doesn't have such a scheme. ( My partner has asthma so he better stay in...I still have to be careful)

All homework help groups are also closed.

The Netherlands is sending in house help for families with kids that are struggling at school now schools are closed again.

Isolating and testing is the only real solution, no? The lorry drivers are able to sleep in their cabs, so they are able to avoid too much close contact, as well as being away from the general population. Horrible situation to be in and my heart goes out to them, but letting them into France and on to the rest of Europe doesn't seem so smart (if this strain is as contagious as reported).

I think the world may have hit an appalling apex... this situation at the border literally left me wondering yesterday how this might affect migrants crammed into trucks. That’s some kind of 2020 shit right there isn’t it?

As far as I know, most of the Pfizer vaccine and the Oxford vaccine come over from Netherlands and Germany?

The majority of the Oxford vaccine (for the UK) is being manufactured in the UK (Wrexham).

but letting them into France and on to the rest of Europe doesn't seem so smart (if this strain is as contagious as reported).

It's already in Europe. The question is how prevalent it is, but since there is less sequencing of positives there, there's no answer to that.

Agree, but is it not sensible to limit further potential cases?

Agree, but is it not sensible to limit further potential cases?

I'm not qualified to make that decision, but if you're going to limit travel due to the potential risk of cases, why didn't France close its border with other neighbours who were known already have domestic cases of it?

Ultimately it was probably a decent dress rehearsal for Brexit, but the entire thing looks to be a bit unfortunate and haphazard.

I don't know if it is... I don't think anyone will send their drivers (and trucks) over if they can't get them back.

The vaccine they said a few weeks back that they'd use the military to get it over if need be.

The post office near us was refusing to take post to Germany yesterday, saying that they couldn't get it out of the country and had been advised they couldn't store it. First time I've encountered that, fairly unexpected.

The other day I made the call for my work to not ship road-route orders to Europe until this gets worked out. Put the message out, and then had a bunch of similar messages from DHL etc saying they wouldn’t take road-route packages. Nothing from RM officially but I took the decisions to store the orders ourselves since they’d be so likely to get lost in the courier/post systems

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Wrexham

as someone who is technically from there, i feel i should get a dose before any of you fuckers.

FFS, went for a lateral flow test (asymptomatic) 45 mins ago and just got an email notifying me that they couldn't read my sample. Will have to do it again.

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