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Oh there'll be plenty of misery just from this thin deal, and most comments on the BBC newsite aren't exactly impressed anymore, it's gone from mostly "project fear" to "em this isn't what you promised, do something, I don't want a no deal"
So not even sure it needs to be that bad?
Until the Cons are gone, nothing will change and the B word cannot be mentioned for years thanks to the crappy FPTP voting system/media here...and many said the UK (England mostly?) never really believed in the European project, if that is true fecknose how long better trade arrangements will take.
Cos it's give and take, not just take...
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Well he's saying the drivers won't get paid if they're sitting in queues, as they're paid by the KM.
When they've got their sov-rin-tee back they can be happy to be paid by the mile rather than some foreign "kilometer" muck.
(Of course, they'll probably end up being paid the same for a mile than they were for a km.)
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When they've got their sov-rin-tee back they can be happy to be paid by the mile rather than some foreign "kilometer" muck.
Looking forward to the LOLz in 2021 when the US incorporates metric standards into its public school curricula... /s
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From what I’ve read, seems like there’s blood in the water and international sharks (US, China) are eyeing up where they can take a bite (eg, NHS). Going back to the EU will have a lot of additional players getting in the way. -
Pre-supposing that the UK government has the capacity to prevent itself from breaking up it's better for the EU to have us (somewhat ironically) in the position that the Brexists claimed we were in previously - EU regulations with no control of them.
Essentially they'd like to park us in a "not quite Ukraine" outer ring, a satellite of the EU that was within its regulatory ambit but external to it's decision making.
The question is what happens if the UK gov can't keep control of overlapping, escalating crises - Covid, recession, Scottish and maybe Welsh indy, Red Wall rebellion with the closure of Nissan and so on. The incompetence and corruption of our current leadership is not exactly confidence inspiring on that note, so the question becomes at what point it's strategically better for the EU to recognise for e.g. Scotland as it's own state and possibly invite it into the EU.
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Scotland cannot just enter the EU. Debt to GDP needs to be 3% (estimated at currently 26% following COVID, was 6-7% before). A newly independent Scotland would see genuine austerity and large tax rises to meet this target. The Yes campaign have never had a plausible economic plan for a newly independent Scotland. The figures proposed in 2014 showed oil receipts of £20bn in 2020, the actual was £266m. And all this is before we even think about a currency.
If Scotland votes for independence the levels of economic migration will be huge. We already have a situation due to the new income tax system where those earning between £42k and £50k are paying a marginal tax rate of 53% including NI on their earnings over £42k..
The SNP are mired in the enquiry into the Salmond case, their own domestic under performance on education and health, and some of the worst COVID figures in Europe.
And the rumoured superinjunction!
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Do they count rental on Faslane in those figures? The (remaining) UK government wouldn't be able to afford to re-home Trident I suspect.
Anyway, no question that will be tough - although of course most UK fishing grounds are actually Scottish, and as we all know Fish generate hundreds of billions of pounds of income.
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I think those are genuine issues, but economic realities did not matter much in the Brexit vote either.
The genuine economic hit caused by Brexit and the constant disrespect of the Cons doesn't help, they could have avoided a lot of this by taking input from NI/Scotland/Wales on board on Brexit.
And where does England's money really come from I sometimes wonder, with services being really hit next year, will a quick join with joining the Euro claw back work? I am speculating there though...nothing will be easy.
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Just encountered an interesting Brexit related change.
We're considering a trip to visit friends in Austria some time in early 2021 and as part of that are planning around implications of us catching Covid while there. Part of this has required us calling a few local doctors to find out about how Covid testing works for non nationals.
Its free for all EU citizens under EHIC. UK nationals pay the same as all other non EU citizens....ranging from 40 to 90 euros. First time I've seen UK citizens being treated differently for healthcare since Brexit.
/csb
EDIT: I misread the email we were sent. Its nothing to do with EHIC. Its a policy decision that testing is only free for EU citizens.
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France: No deal is better than a bad deal.
They are willing to compromise more though.
What pisses me off is the UK team lying about non existing extra demands. They just cannot be honest.
Lies for strategic reasons obv. but while that plays well for the Brexit home market it might not go down well in some EU countries.
Some stuff like fishing you'd expect lots of haggling near the end, fair enough.
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imagining being in the last few days of discussions though...
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Movement on fishing, not on UK alignment with eu standards.
There is also movement on checks for food going from GB to NI but it only mentions big supermarkets so small shops may lose out?
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I really can't see what the pressure is on the EU to do a deal. If there's no deal then as far as the EU's concerned it's a minor hiccup. As far as the UK's concerned, it's a total and utter shitstorm. I'm failing to see why it isn't in the EU's interests to walk away from the negotiations, let the UK descend into a total clusterfuck of tariffs and border checks, and then come back in 6 months or so saying 'So, how much more of this do you want?' OK, you'd have to buy off the French fishermen in the interim, but that's buttons in the great grand scheme of things.
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Maybe I'm missing somthing
An 'e'? :)
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More seriously, that is obviously not responsible behaviour. Just because the UK is badly-governed doesn't mean the EU should descend to the childish level of arch-'Brexit'ers, 'they need us more than we need them' and all that nonsense.
It's always worth remembering how much we've lost in just the last four years. That same loss hasn't occurred throughout the EU, even though European governments are hardly saintly. If you reconsider the absolutely scandalous conduct of Theresa May and Johnson in variously trying to decide unilaterally, freeze out Parliament, trying to square a circle, etc.--and the Cammayborne government was already a nightmare of ideologically-blinded cruelty--, political discourse since then has taken another nosedive. Even thinking that 'no deal' is in any way an acceptable negotiation tactic or negotiation outcome is ridiculous, and yet, swayed by endless propaganda being hammered into their minds, something that many people apparently imagine could (a) happen or (b) be a good thing.
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You're into the work of rules of origin there, and I think the answer is "it's complicated".
One of the reasons that the EU laughed at us when we requested that goods "from" the UK count as made in the UK was to avoid us "assembling" stuff from China/elsewhere by sticking it in a new box and selling to EU customers at a rate that massively undercuts their own retailers.