• Maybe I'm missing something, but I really can't see what the pressure is on the EU to do a deal. If there's no deal then as far as the EU's concerned it's a minor hiccup. As far as the UK's concerned, it's a total and utter shitstorm. I'm failing to see why it isn't in the EU's interests to walk away from the negotiations, let the UK descend into a total clusterfuck of tariffs and border checks, and then come back in 6 months or so saying 'So, how much more of this do you want?' OK, you'd have to buy off the French fishermen in the interim, but that's buttons in the great grand scheme of things.

  • Maybe I'm missing somthing

    An 'e'? :)

  • More seriously, that is obviously not responsible behaviour. Just because the UK is badly-governed doesn't mean the EU should descend to the childish level of arch-'Brexit'ers, 'they need us more than we need them' and all that nonsense.

    It's always worth remembering how much we've lost in just the last four years. That same loss hasn't occurred throughout the EU, even though European governments are hardly saintly. If you reconsider the absolutely scandalous conduct of Theresa May and Johnson in variously trying to decide unilaterally, freeze out Parliament, trying to square a circle, etc.--and the Cammayborne government was already a nightmare of ideologically-blinded cruelty--, political discourse since then has taken another nosedive. Even thinking that 'no deal' is in any way an acceptable negotiation tactic or negotiation outcome is ridiculous, and yet, swayed by endless propaganda being hammered into their minds, something that many people apparently imagine could (a) happen or (b) be a good thing.

  • Kent lorry parks are here to stay even with the deal, next year is going to be a mess with the current deal. Nothing is ready, no financial services passporting included, custom forms galore...

    In that sense being reasonable helps the EU because nobody can lay any blame on them. And it's what the UK (England? 43% of voters in 2919? The erg?) wanted so who was the EU to say no?

  • In a lot of areas no deal is better than a bad deal for the EU. However, no deal is likely to accelerate the breakup of the UK, and having a country descend into chaos that shares a land border with the EU is sub-optimal. France and Ireland are now going to be the external western border- and borders are easier to maintain when there is a degree of cooperation, and stability in the ruling elite.

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