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@Skülly So this is a Cliff Shrubb built Allin, if you zoom in on the drop out join to fork or rear triangle you will note that the braze is not domed, rather cut back to the fork blade and rear Stays. This was how Cliff finished his frames. If the Butler is finished like this then Cliff built it. This one has a nice history. I may sell it.
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Gosh, just caught up with the Roberts thread here, saw his photo - I’m such a fool for not going!
@VintageJon Ah yes, those stays do look quite thick like trackie ones.
I get what you mean about having a De Ver and a Roberts ... I have for some accident collected a bunch of frames built by northerners, often badged for shops elsewhere... but I’m the proud owner of a Geoffrey Butler track frame which I’m told was built by Shrubb... funnily enough the stays are rather thick too.