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Maurice Burton did a small talk at the roberts reunion event
Gosh, just caught up with the Roberts thread here, saw his photo - I’m such a fool for not going!
@VintageJon Ah yes, those stays do look quite thick like trackie ones.
I get what you mean about having a De Ver and a Roberts ... I have for some accident collected a bunch of frames built by northerners, often badged for shops elsewhere... but I’m the proud owner of a Geoffrey Butler track frame which I’m told was built by Shrubb... funnily enough the stays are rather thick too.
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@Skülly So this is a Cliff Shrubb built Allin, if you zoom in on the drop out join to fork or rear triangle you will note that the braze is not domed, rather cut back to the fork blade and rear Stays. This was how Cliff finished his frames. If the Butler is finished like this then Cliff built it. This one has a nice history. I may sell it.
VintageJon
The stays are thicker than average road stays. Thus making it ideal for a strong sprinter back in the day.
I looked up a bit about De Ver and the Australian who opened the shop learnt to build frames and may have built some, however when I enquired about whether they had any decals left over, which they didn’t the guy said that Roberts had built most of the frames. Quite amazing how many frame builders were in the Croydon area back in the day. I have Allins, Cliff Shrubbs and this is kind of like having a Roberts and a de Ver.