EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I'm sure that could be overcome with the right pressure out of Washington. Obviously, no idea if that will come.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think pressure from DC is really relevant in this case. It would take political will on the part of London (and agreement from Brussels, which eventually we won't be able to rely on). I don't believe that an extension is impossible, but I think a deal with more transition time (probably called something else) is more likely. I hope so, anyway.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think pressure from DC is really relevant in this case.

Well, it's obviously only a suspicion at the moment, but I'd assume the only way in which Johnson could get enough pressure (apart from that caused by the general chaos and shitshow he's created) would be from the president-elect, who I'd assume looks askance at Putin's subversion of the UK.

The whole crapshow started because of the ERG which Boris encouraged with his BS articles about the EU.

Unless he is willing to see them off, not sure it will happen. He kicked out everybody that didn't agree with a no-compromise fuck business fuck international law Brexit, I'd be very surprised if either he or the Cons now grow a spine.

It would be an awfully sensible move, but it also needs to be sold in the EU and some countries are fed up with the BS of Brexit. Macron would need to be talked into this by Merkel and Rutte, which can happen if the will is there.

I'm fed up with the BS of Brexit too!!!

I fear it's not going to over soon, I'm tired of it but 2021 not looking good...

Hope cool heads will prevail but given up hope.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-18/brexit-creates-jobs-for-customs-staff-in-eastern-europe-india?fbclid=IwAR0ISz9PjKFwBE0a80Uc7pYJDTcgJNWMW8orNC6UM6017G-Uy46_i_C6QBI

Global Britain! ;)

discussions around an extension to the transition period due to COVID started to gain traction

That can’t possibly be the case, I got this in the post this morning:

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If there's no extension, we will have to do a great deal better with our garden harvest next year, or go hungry.

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This reminds me of the time a friend congratulated me on my harvest of spring onions...
They were leeks.

I'm rather hoping fot a no deal brexit.

When there are empty shelves in the supermarkets I predict it will be impossible to find a single soul who voted for brexit.

After a few months in the punishment block, I feel confident the EU would welcome us back.

If this had to be done without a general election, I'm sure some obscure back bencher could resign to let Philip Hammond back (or some one like him) to renegotiate.

Naturally, there will a price to pay - for example, we would have to give up sterling and submit to the euro - if we're very lucky at parity.

I'm rather hoping fot a no deal brexit.

I feel the same but ar the same time it will be fatal to vulnerable people who are already a victim of the conservative government (like the notorious DWP).

we would have to give up sterling and submit to the euro

This is a little Fantasy that I’ve found myself day dreaming over from time to time.

there will a price to pay [to rejoin the EU]

I’m hoping for “you’ll be driving on the right from now on”, and “all those speed limits are kilometres per hour”.

I'm desperate for it to happen whilst my parent's friends who ambush me about Brexit are still alive

I'm hoping for a deal so we can move on, and hopefully I don't lose my job.

When there are empty shelves in the supermarkets I predict it will be impossible to find a single soul who voted for brexit.

There will be loads of people saying the shelves are empty because the EU are punishing the UK and it shows how evil they are and how we were right to leave.

hopefully I don't lose my job

Yes. I work for a charity where there is some radical belt tightening under way—income down something like 30% even before Brexit and the recession hit…

I think no deal will make rejoining harder and those brexiters that still have no doubts / won't take any responsibility cos "all politicians are bad" won't change.

No deal is even more damage is even more rancour and I don't think it'll help anyone in the end.

And it will create even more job losses and poverty.

I'm not sure the euro will benefit the UK, and there are still many problems with proper fiscal integration in the EU. Southern states cannot increase gdp deficit / devalue their currency to help exports cos Euro.

I don't see the UK backing France over radical reforms either.

"Euro only" skepticism ;)

Southern states cannot game the system to help exports cos Euro.

Ftfy.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/22/uk-should-not-sign-eu-deal-at-any-price-says-sunak?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Brexiters gonna brexit.

There are power imbalances in euro control if we get pedantic is that gaming?

It's just £ monetary policies will become Euro ones and it may not suit the UK.

There are power imbalances in euro control if we get pedantic is that gaming?

If you're saying Northern states can increase gdp deficit / devalue their currency to help exports, then I guess so.

It's just £ monetary policies will become Euro ones and it may not suit the UK.

We won't know for sure until / unless it happens.

(Remain) Femi has a video about this on twitter, I intend to watch it later.

I'm more perhaps leaning towards euro coin skepticism until eurozone is better integrated.

Also not sure on how much city of London exchange work and dodgier dealings prop up £

There's s docu called "the spiders web" on YouTube about city of London and it's workings, not happy viewing.

But money doesn't smell as they say...

Had a wee look on Femis twitter can't find euro tweet :)