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@Jameshk
Have a set of the mark 2 somewhere if you want them? I used them on a bike that didn't have any mounts and I didn't find them as bad as Retro_bastard, but when changed bikes to ones with mounts and proper mudguards that came with them they were clearly better. The issue with the crud ones was that they would need small amounts of adjustment every time something lent of them, easy and quick to do, but a bit of a nuisance.