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Okay got it, thanks for clarifying. I might go for some le col thermal Bib shorts in that case.
Yeh the Rapha bib shorts I bought were the new ones, the chamois pad started to bobble/rub away after about 3 weeks, of not especially strenuous use. Sent them back for a full refund.
Someone tempted to buy a second pair, hoping that maybe they'll bobble up to a certain point, then stop?
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They are thicker and slightly water resistant but not lined. They aren’t pro team, more like Brevet. I like them put a lot of miles in with them.
Were you thermal shorts the new ones? I was considering getting some.