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Panaracer and WTB are old tubeless, they’re noticeably harder when compared to modern type (like Teravail which inflate and hold without sealant).
Would you like me to send you a modern 650b gravel tyres that easy to set up?
edscoble-
WTB weren't hard to set up. One of them wouldn't stay up and that was fixed with new tape.
Panaracer went up fine on one wheel but on the other wheel it also needed new tape, which let go and got new tape, which didn't hold air over night, so then got wider tape and was fine. (I stupidly didn't bring my wider tape to Spain before the race, thinking the 19mm Tesa would suffice).I got a brand new set of 47mm 650B WTB Ventures ready to go on when I wear out these Horizons. I would've preferred something even wider but these were an emergency purchase in case the 700x50 Panaracer setup failed again (it didn't, they're still holding air just fine).
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Oh, but now I'm curious, what's "old" and "new" tubeless? Is it like GP5000s with that big block bead?
hippy
Tape, sealant and to a lesser extent tyres can be picked but most people can't just chop and change their rims so of course you're gonna have people having issues because some tyre doesn't work with some tape rim and sealant combo.
My first TL tyre was an experiment on a Light Bicycle rim that was always a pain to seat tubed tyres on. The tubeless Schwalbe Pro One went on with a hand pump, no sealant, like a fucking boss. I thought "what are all these dickheads on about with their stories of hosing the lounge with jizz, etc" and then I bought some used 650B wheels and they worked with the WTBs that were fitted but then I changed to other WTB tyres and would they stay sealed? Would they fuck. Had to retape them in the end. Then there was the Panaracer drama - front is fine. Rear is fine... oh wait no it's done 300k and then suddenly hosed all the sealant out. Different rims front and back you see? One rim was more sensitive to tape width. Once it was properly setup these two raced Badlands with no issue, but fuck me, they had 4 different people have a go at setting them up.