Owning your own home

This seems like a better option than nest then really.

I like the idea of just heating the one room I'm in working for most of the day and not the whole house. What would happen if I didn't install these on each radiator?

Oh okay - answered my above question. So for the bedrooms these wifi things would make sense as you're only heating them up when you want? The rest of the house/ downstairs would be on standard TRV's and therefore come on when the temp drops?

I've used Tado for a few years and its been good. I wanted an individual radiator to be able to start up the boiler when it needed it, which wasn't as common as I imagined it would be- most other systems the boiler was tied to the central thermostat.

Been looking at Tado on Amazon.

A lot of people very pissed off that they have brought in a subscription model for the best features - geofencing for example. £25 quid a year.

While we're talking RADs. Balancing rads is a right pain innit?

If they don't have a subscription model how are they going to run the service in the long term?

How are they expecting to run their core service, for that matter (and this is my biggest gripe about tado) - the core control application is web-based.

It's a dark art somewhere above getting tubeless tyres on in one go with no pfaff. If you have any tips I'm all ears...

Am considering a move to Tado precisely to gain per-room controls

Yeah, I had Nest in the old place and the infuriating thing was that with a radiator behind my bed then to have the house at ~22 degrees at, say, 7AM then Nest realised that it needed to start heating a couple of hours earlier.

So at 5AM then the radiator behind my bed goes on and because I'm a 1ft away from it then I wake up at about 5.05AM and switch the heating off because I'm fucking roasting.

Zones needed this time around

It's almost half price today too on amazon

While we're talking RADs. Balancing rads is a right pain innit?

I was advised by the gas guy I had last time to set the room in which the thermostat exists to fully open... then go around the house and set the others as appropriate to those rooms.

The thermostat should be in the room you occupy the most, probably the living room.

Could someone with Tado help me with what I would need? Confused with the starter packs etc.
What I need to control is:

Ground Floor:
Two large zones (kitchen and then front room and hallway) all underfloor heating

1st floor:
Two rooms with 1 radiator, bathroom with electric underfloor heating. Boiler in the bathroom.

2nd floor:
One radiators

Looking at the WiFi thermostatic valves for the rads but what for the underfloor heating areas? And what comes in a starter pack?

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/tado%C2%B0-Smart-Thermostat-Add-Thermostats/dp/B07YCY3T1S/ref=sr_1_5_mod_primary_lightning_deal

That is cheap, tempted to just buy and keep in a box until we move

Fuck having to SaaS to your own heating. I guess with these ‘smart’ devices you have to accept that the useful life before they get bricked is about 5-10 years (see Sonos)

I don't have underfloor heating, but tado say that you can use their smart thermostat on underfloor heating systems (one per circuit, as I understand) - it would be a smart on/off, and wouldn't call the boiler (unless it's a water system)

For the rads, you just chuck on a smart TRV, and it treats each area as a separate zone - when it's triggered, it calls the boiler independently of nay other thermostat

Starter pack (although there's more than one) is one thermostat, the extension kit (the bit attached to the boiler that receives signals from the TRVs / thermostats, and that turns the boiler on and off for heating (& hot water if it's a system boiler)), and the bridge (that attaches to your router)

You need at a minimum to have:
1 - extension kit
2 - bridge
3 - at least one smart thermostat or one trv

TRVs on each rad would seem to make sense , in which case you don;t need a room thermostat (what would happen then is that the room thermostat would call the boiler, and you would have a boiler trying to heat the room by the pipes alone, as no rads have been opened. then you just get leaks).

As underfloor isn't something you want to be changing all the time, I don't see much mileage in smart thermostats for it. In our old kitchen we would turn it on for winter, off for summer, and one button press whenever we were away for more than a few days.

That is cheap, tempted to just buy and keep in a box until we move

Yeah... all of the Tado deals are here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/page/619D9A85-36A3-49C5-BE32-950CE037E286

Very tempted to buy enough to do the entire house and only gradually install them after the kitchen is done.

Only annoying thing is that I don't know how the hot water currently works in the new place. But I suppose I could offload that bit if I don't need it.

Looks like the water control unit is not much more expensive at regular price, so could just add that on later

I already have 10 smoke alarms I have to change once a decade, I'd rather not add to the waste pile even more with smart TRVs on a similar cycle.

Ordered the wired kit with 2 TRVs plus an additional 2 TRVs all for less than half the normal price.

The extension kit does hot water by default, I thought

Aye, but working off what I know right now. There is a wired thermostat in the hall of the new place. No idea how the hot water system works. So can use the starter/wired kit easily until we scope out what's needed for hot water. That bit doesn't seem to be as much of a deal by itself so won't be missing out as much if I wait to buy that by itself.

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You need to have the extension kit for the TRVs though - otherwise they won't call the boiler.

They'd just open & close the radiators, and only when the boiler is on (via another programmer I guess) would they heat up. Worse - if they are closed, and the boiler is on, you'd be circulating and heating water through a tiny loop.

Are you ignoring the non-straight brickwork over the window at the moment?