#blacklivesmatter racism is a human problem

There's absolutely a place for the concept; but I see it wildy overapplied.

You're in a thread about racism TBF.

That's the whole point of intersectionality.

No it's not lmao.

That's the whole point of intersectionality.

It's not, it's recognising there's cross over and that there are many related and possibly unrelated things that apply, but not too add them up to one big privilege score.

Also changing the phrase white privilege to make it more palatable to us whiteys seems a bit white privilegey.

Just in case it seems like I was misconstruing Rankine point. iirc her motivation was to make it more all encompassing to demonstrate that it spans the whole way people live their day-to-day life - not to make it more palatable.

She also had a great anecdote about a white woman walking in front of her in the business class queue, mistakenly assuming she wouldn't have been in business class. Once this was pointed out she was mortified over her mistake and queued behind her... not noticing she'd cut in front of a middle eastern looking man.

There's absolutely a place for the concept; but I see it wildy overapplied.

Out of curiosity, do you think within a thread about racism is the "place", or is it being wildly overapplied here?

That's pretty dismissive.

Race is currently overweighted.

In this thread about racism or in general? In the BLM movement? Because that's a while movement based on race, so they're probably going to talk about it, although generally the intersectionality is widely discussed too, with parallels drawn to feminism and unions, but it is a movement about racism, mainly based in the USA, but it applies further afield in similar and different ways.

It does refer to what I am attempting to do, which you chose to refer to as "adding up into a total score"

Stop doing that then.

It's not, it's recognising there's cross over and that there are many related and possibly unrelated things that apply, but not too add them up to one big privilege score.

After reading you phrasing it in this way it's made me wonder if the way the concept and discussion is being played out is in fact being reduced to a privilege score(?). In fact it seems like that is almost a natural end point of how people think about these things.

Look at even jokey things like the Monty Python Four Yorkshiremen sketch, or Boomers "but you have smartphones" comments.

It was in the post I originally replied to, which stated that "white people start with money [and] privilege". That's racism, plain and simple

In the metaphor about the monopoly board game, it's really not, the same could've been said about upper class people starting with all the money and property, or men, this is a thread about racism, so the, somewhat shonky, metaphor was applied to race, the unfair starting monopoly as a metaphor for current capitalism has been going round for a while.

In fairness that was a valid point re the OP you quoted.

But I'm not convinced by some of your later analogies and arguments.

Gonna try to trade in my +7 posh sounding southern accent for +3 & +4 northern approachability and friendliness.

Very impressed with everyone here being very polite to the troll. As I understand it, their arguments boil down to:

• I haven't experienced systemic racism, so systemic racism doesn't exist (or is vastly exaggerated)
  
• If black people are being discriminated against, it's not the colour of their skin, but probably other factors
  
• Calling out white privilege is in fact racist
  
  

Did I miss anything?

I think that covers it.

Nah, just the usual strawman and whataboutism arguments.

Edited to add: Having said that, claiming to be half Colombian but being unable to spell 'Colombian' properly was a bit of a highlight, and rather outside the ordinary polite troll modus operandi.

You call me a troll

You have come onto a forum, and then only posted in a thread where the topic of discussion is quite often trolled with some very similar points to ones you made, then didn't really discuss further if they were rebuked. Maybe you're just an innocent lurker who was drawn to post by this one particular topic because you're whatabout arguments are really important to get across, but getting called a troll for looking and acting a bit like a troll isn't too unlikely on such a friendly forum, you have just dipped a toe into the usual troll behaviour painting yourself the victim of being called a troll so all going well so far.

You're right, it is a witch hunt 🥱

Still being quite polite really, pointed out how you come across as a troll, even if you may not be, then was a little sarcastic about you insinuating that this was witch hunt, you have got a whole foot in the troll victim pool now though. You've managed possibly a new record without being called a cunt for similar things on here, so hardly nasty at all.

I think this thread could be more productive if you moved on.

We can ask propsective babies if they'd rather be born into a dysfunctional lower-class white family in Middlesborough or a wealthy black family in West London.

To quote @n3il, WTAF?

Your whole response to anything said here seems to conflate racial prejudice with Racism. The two things are not the same. Racism requires an imbalance of power. While acts or systems could be considered under both descriptors, it only becomes Racist when there is an imbalance of power intended (or not) to discriminate and oppress.

To use your strawman that stating that somebody white from the Northeast experiences white privilege, is Racist. This is bollocks. Yes, there is an element of racial prejudice at play, but there is no Racism.

Time to move on I think mate, for everyone's sake. This is not about me.

Ideally yeah, I was pointing out that you are fitting some very established troll behaviours, so the hope is you're not an actual troll (I don't think I've called you one) but take note of those things and change them (look at the whole rest of the forum, join in, get a nice real name, don't play the victim of an imaginary witch hunt) to move on, or actually just, like, move on.

Welcome.

The level at which current discussions are taking place, here and elsewhere, are strangely impersonal and theoretical, which I admit not to liking.

Jog on then

Not liking doesn't mean they're not real or valid though.

Yea I agree but theres a better way to approach it right? Everyones entitled to an opinion and its going to right in their own mind, there's no rite or wrong way to think.

How hard are you trying to stop yourself from writing All Lives Matter?