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Oh the only other thing I don't like about them is the rear mudguard is too long. I know people here have a hardon for putting massive flaps on their functionals, but IMO only the front is any use. The rear just makes it harder to pop the bike up on its rear wheel for putting in bike sheds etc. I don't ride in a peloton so people can just avoid my rear wheel if they don't want to get a bit of mud.
You’re talking my language now! Simpler mudguard install is all good when you’ve got constant weird nerve shakes done the hands! Those little sks bolts go all over the workshop!
‘I need 3 hands or a clever Knob’ as a GB mechanic once said