• What % of claims are that serious and how does that compare to other manufacturers?

    Toyota are globally renowned for their manufacturing process and build quality.

    Toyota recall timeline for 2007-2011:

    1. Sep 26, 2007 – US: 55,000 Toyota Camry and ES 350 cars in"all-weather" floor mat recall.
    2. Nov 02, 2009 – US: 3.8 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles again recalled due to floor mat problem, this time for all driver's side mats.
    3. Nov 26, 2009 – US: floor mat recall amended to include brake override and increased to 4.2 million vehicles.
    4. Jan 21, 2010 – US: 2.3 million Toyota vehicles recalled due to faulty accelerator pedals (of those, 2.1 million already involved in floor mat recall).
    5. Jan 27, 2010 – US: 1.1 million Toyotas added to amended floor mat recall.
    6. Jan 29, 2010 – Europe, China: 1.8 million Toyotas added to faulty accelerator pedal recall.
    7. Feb 08, 2010 – Worldwide: 436,000 hybrid vehicles in brake recall following 200 reports of Prius brake glitches.
    8. Feb 08, 2010 – US: 7,300 model year 2010 Camry vehicles recalled over potential brake tube problems.
    9. Feb 12, 2010 – US: 8,000 MY 2010 4WD Tacoma pick-up trucks recalled over concerns about possible defective front drive shafts.
    10. Apr 16, 2010 – US: 600,000 MY 1998–2010 Toyota Sienna for possible corrosion of spare tire carrier cable.
    11. Apr 19, 2010 – World: 21,000 MY 2010 Toyota Land Cruiser Prado and 13,000 Lexus GX 460 SUV's recalled to reprogram the stability control system.
    12. Apr 28, 2010 – US: 50,000 MY 2003 Toyota Sequoia recalled to reprogram the stability control system.
    13. May 21, 2010 – Japan: 4,509, US: 7,000 MY 2010 LS for steering system software update
    14. July 5, 2010 – World: 270,000 Crown and Lexus models for valve springs with potential production issue.
    15. July 29, 2010 – US: 412,000 Avalons and LX 470s for replacement of steering column components.
    16. August 28, 2010 – US & Canada: approximately 1.13 million Toyota Corolla and Toyota Matrix vehicles produced between 2005 and 2008 for Engine Control Modules (ECM) that may have been improperly manufactured.
    17. February 8, 2011 – US: NASA and NHTSA inquiry reveals that there were no electronic faults in Toyota cars that would have caused acceleration issues. However, accelerator pedal entrapments remains a problem.
    18. February 22, 2011 – US: Toyota recalls an additional 2.17 million vehicles for accelerator pedals that become trapped on floor hardware.

    That's a total of 18.37 million recalled vehicles with a minimum of 37 deaths attributed and over 400 injuries...

    I'll take my chances.

  • Fair enough mate. Was just talking about build quality and reliability of Tesla, not their (or Toyota's) safety record.

  • Are safety recalls not directly related to build quality?

    What about @Dammit super spendy Mercedes which appears to be disintegrating?

    Personally I'm not bothered by panel gap differences enough to ever report them. If something falls off the car then I'm sure I'll get it fixed just like any other manufacturer, but I'll do it with a car with significantly cheaper running, service and environmental costs than equivalent ICE cars.

    Also, I don't think the watch argument holds water. Grand Seiko are high quality and low cost, IWC are low quality in comparison and often more expensive. I've had RR, BMW etc in the past and their interior quality isn't in a different class to that of the Model 3, yet they often cost a lot more and claim superior quality. General cabin materials are on par and technology is obviously way ahead in the Tesla. Not sure if you've sat in an Aston Martin from the mid 2010s but their indicator stalks are from the Ford Focus...

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