Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

I absolutely notice the difference for a road bike with narrow tyres but for sure its not there with large tyres.

I can't see myself getting another aluminium road frame but my aluminium rlt9 even with meagre 35mm tyres has zero issues at all comfort wise.

If you look at the steel alternatives though the Standert I think seems reasonably priced.

I'd be tempted with those colourways but if we're talking 'gravel bikes' then I can't get down with that geometry, headtube is steeper than that on my road bike can't see how that's much fun off road, seatube seems silly steep too, same angle as their crit bike. Can't understand that.

Not directly comparable (bigger clearance/heavier frameset) but it does make the likes of the Brother 725 Mehteh look like great value. At the end of the day, when I'm riding around on 47c tyres and adding a few scars to the paintwork (mostly from clipless falls), who needs a nice paint job (the candy red is lovely though!!) or anything but an Arkose ;)

that’s definitely one benefit of the arkose though -so utilitarian and well priced you don’t need to baby it. which is ideal for its intended use case

Don't mention the niner rlt9. I regret selling mine

Getting a gravel bike made out of spirit tubing doesn't make much sense to me, especially with that steep head angle.

assume they're banking on most gravel bikes end up being ridden 90:10 road:gravel...

I doubt this’ll be that far off tbh

My new gravel bike in progress has some Spirit tubing in it, together with Max, Life and some T45. It'll be fine. We'll, here's hoping anyway.

It's actually incredible how straight guys are more likely to buy something because you tell them the tube diameter. It's like one weird trick to make men who claim to "know quality engineering when they see it" reach for their wallets.

to sell expensive stuff to men you don't need to really sell the lifestyle, you need to describe it in explicit detail so they feel they're making an objective purchase for skills and tools, as opposed to elegance or beauty, be it describing the properties of a tig weld, explaining how chromoloy was actually an inspired choice due to its rugged properties, the sacrifice of weight in exchange for life long endurance and dent protection, how braze ons were selected due to mathematical equation base on how much someone will value their inability to do what is essentially drilling a hole.

I reckon as a start up bike company you'd get further not taking any pictures of the bike, only releasing technical spec sheets and copy written by an advertising grad in the style of what a "25-50 year old male who cannot metal work or engineer, likely works in tech" thinks engineering methodology looks like, than flying round the world and taking a picture of your bike on the side of some cliff.

throw in some "no bs, all product" direct to consumer bait and have a community gagging for it , absolute brew punk gen X bait. The final flourish being being the tyre clearance of the bike in bold 45pt font, underlined as an Instagram post.

i bet some of you sick fucks are getting off on this as just a concept.

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i'm livid

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Isn't that the point of it, Groad or whatever. A road bike that you could take to a crit but can take big enough tyres to also do some light off roading the week after?

Do you have a gpx of your route? Cycling out to gravesend in a few weeks

Thinking about a Groad bike, mostly for road riding (I have a Longitude for offroad), but with discs and at least 32 mm tyre clearance. I would love to have steel or carbon frame, but not convinced about any material, lighter and comfier would be better obviously. Geo more road-oriented than the typical gravel one.Thru axles preferably, I have a nice TA wheelset already.
I was thinking about Genesis Equilibrium Disc, any alternatives similar to it?

I bumped into a local pro on his team issue spec tarmac bashing through one of the local gravel routes the other day. I guess a combination of skills, not paying for your own bikes and not giving a shit turns works for him.

That's interesting. My missus has this bike and I never knew the chainset was a sub-compact special. Always assumed it was 34T inner.

Pfadfinder?

I'd like something similar to remove the 'quick release' aspect of the axles on my Kinesis. I guess you just measure the inner/outer of the fork and or back end and see what they have?

These guys make all of the axles
https://robertaxleproject.com/

Getting rid of the lever - Brand X do them

Cheers, that's what I'm after. Just need to measure them up and get around to swapping them.

When you've identified the correct ones to order can you let me know? The Kinesis Thru Axle skewers really annoy me.

Never buy ex-pro bikes.

(unless you can be sure they were never used)

Ah, yes, think I may even have used them before for a turbo trainer axle.

Yep. I don't use them as QRs. I just use them as levers, so every ride I get someone telling me my wheels are loose.

Forgot to add I'm a bit on the budget, would like to get it whole bike below 1000 pounds, second-hand well possible. Frameset and getting parts separately can also be an option. Standert looks too pricey though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNeYYM9_aeM&feature=emb_title

Anyone here running old Di2 FD with new GRX RD combo? I have the pre-Ultegra shit on the Kinesis and it runs 34x42T without Wolftooth but to get lower gearing without changing the cranks I reckon I'd need a WT or maybe look at replacing the stuff with GRX bits. No idea if adding a WT to the mix would allow me to run a 46T MTB cassette though. Thoughts?