Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

in the same way that it's not fair to judge carbon only based on solidity, and alloy on vibrations transmission ? The point is that the pfadfinder is both expensive and pretty heavy.
interested to hear about issues btw

But you can dress it in Dura ace and carbon to make it weight like an Allez. Likes tough

Does anyone do a Ti gravel frame that will take 650b 2.2s without it being basically a drop bar mtb?

Alpkit possible ?

This doesn't look too bad.

https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/gravel-edr-offroad-bike-van-rysel-grx-1x/_/R-p-327757

Curve GXR?
https://www.curvecycling.com.au/pages/bike-overview

Maybe Ribble CGR?

Pretty sure you're into "shit mountain bike"* territory there.

*©Cy Turner, Cotic. He still refuses to build me an Escapade with those clearances...

J Guillem Atalaya? A friend has just bought one. Seems pretty tasty.

Could you please show me a steel frame available that does the same and is cheaper and as light or lighter!? Or even just lighter.

Steel is expensive nowadays. It's a pity.
If people are happy with alu and carbon thats fine. But on a more serious note. In my opinion steel suits more people than represented by the market. So steel frames are relatively more expensive because mass production is magic.

The Pfadfinder is expensive. It's not light. But it's lovely with a really sensible weight for a steel frame and a price thats agreeable for a niche product if it suits your needs/wants. You get the bb, Chris King headset, columbus fork, a nice paintjob and now the price starts to get reasonable.

You could almost go costum, but if the Pfadfinder fits your purpose it's still fairplay.

There is no Instagram involved.

Unless you're racing, and racing at the pointy end of the field, the best bike is the bike that makes you feel happiest, that you like most, and that you enjoy riding and owning. Whatever that is, buy it, ride it, enjoy it, and ignore the haterz.

Exactly. In my opinion the perfomance obsession in cycling always led to an overrepresentation of equipment only suited for professional athletes.

i agree that steel is a goer, in 95% of cases it will be just as fine as any other, all my bikes are and my forks are QR

but a genesis croix de fer 725 is about half the price, a 853 a little less, a croix de fer Titanium is 2300 rrp. a colombus fork is bang on average when it comes to forks, and chris king headsets are just there to hold bearings aren't they ?

its just noticeable that standerts pricing has increased in the space of 2 years. good for them and the buyers, better looking bikes ready for this years deluge of handlebarbags.
:)

Bearclaw Thunderhawk?

@mk1mark fairlight have dropped their colours, whats your move? All those BB5s in the world arent going to build bikes around them!

I'm holding out for a PDF on why the colours are so ugly.

EDIT:

The orange is actually fine I just don't know why they added that ugly hatching on the top tube.

Sticking with the Macho Man for now, since Winston and his brother have given it some love.

Fairlight looks nice though!

Bearclaw Thunderhawk?

I'm gonna call my next cat this.

you were in hither green ! we could have flat white-ed.

^^And if I need to shout his name it'll be to the tune of killboy powerhead.

Only for a 730am pre-work dash, or else that would have been lovely.

Thats pretty much the only option I've found. Ideally I want something with a UK distributor so I can take advantage of working in the trade

Completely get all of this, and it's a frivolous purchase I know, but I think I'm going to love it. I did actually ask them what tubing they use - they said it's unchanged from the last version and sent me rather a nice catalogue lookbook, which I hadn't seen before. Front triangle and head tube are Spirit and Spirit HSS, chain stays are Zona and seat stays Life.

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@Belagerent PDF watch

I think the importance of frame material is over stated. ESP if you have fat tires on.