• Wait, did you not vote Brexit?

    You didn't see this risk at all I guess?

    I saw the Cons had to implement the deal, which didn't please me, but I didn't expect them to be so irrational about it. But that was before I knew how much power the ERG/right wing press had...

  • Yes, this is well documented.

    Not sure if anyone foresaw any of the twists and turns the last 4 years has brought TBH. Maybe you can claim you did, but I'd doubt the veracity.

  • Not sure if anyone foresaw any of the twists and turns the last 4 years has brought TBH.

    The EU have always stood firm that they would not compromise on the freedoms and would not provide membership benefits to a non member. That has been an unchanged constant since before the referendum even happened. To do so would weaken the union which they clearly would not choose to do so to benefit the UK.

    The twists and turns have been political theater and nothing more.

    I certainly read enough accounts in the run up to the referendum and warnings from people directly involved with the EU to know this was the most likely outcome . The pro remain newspapers certainly made a big deal of it. The EU trade advisers made a big deal of it. The various internationl trade lawyers who passed comment predicted this outcome. Do you think these people, the people with the most relavant knowledge and experience, just lucked out in their prediction?

    EDIT: The UK has never had a negotiating position. The choice was for the UK government to back down and go for a "Brexit in Name Only" (swiss model) or suck up a hard Brexit. Surely "they need us more than we need them" is the biggest lie told to people who voted leave?

  • I would not have voted for this as I didn't see any possibilities of cherry picking. They made contradictory promises expecting the EU to offer the UK something special.

    plus I live in Northern Ireland as a Citizen of Nowhere (couldn't vote, but had I had irish/uk citizenship too would have been at the polls to vote against it) plus the Conservatives would ultimately do Brexit.

    After all, who else could? As there was no mechanism afterwards to have citizen forums to hammer out a plan.

    There were some FlexCit plans but those relied on the UK being sensible and offering something back. And... cherrypicking.

    I did not have foreseen how godawful all this has been, it's getting worse and worse, I don't think anybody could have.

    I didn't like May at all, she tried to keep things together with the backstop (a big fudge, to buy time perhaps?) we are all controlled by the ERG now.

    My frustration with this whole process is also erm well documented :p

  • Not sure if anyone foresaw any of the twists and turns the last 4 years has brought TBH.

    52% didn’t, that’s for sure.

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