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  • I didn’t even realise the black base plates were plastic until I broke it. Presumed it was painted/anodised ali.

  • Yeah I hadn't considered it at all. Kind of disappointing really but I'm not willing to switch to leather saddles just for the metal hooks. Guess I better invest in a bagman QR.

  • I'm not willing to switch to leather saddles just for the metal hooks.

    Yeah. The leather thing doesn’t bother me but just been finding the c17 so comfy I’d like to keep using it/them.

    Having a saddle with loops but using another means of attaching a bag seems so counter intuitive.

  • The non "all-weather" cambiums have a metal frame so you don't have to be into leather to get metal hooks.

    edit - looks like they've discontinued the versions with the metal frame, sorry for the false lead.
    edit edit - the C17 "special" in black has the metal frame: https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/c17-special.html?cId=92-item-135

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