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I’d be interested to know what you consider compelling If you can’t appreciate that back story, and you can’t ignore his ethnic back ground in all that too, especially given his recent comments about the racism that he and his father experience during that period. To come through all that and be a 6 time world champion (and counting)
I’m not sure what your trying to prove by list off a bunch of mistakes that Lewis made in his early f1 days, that he’s human perhaps.
My point was that he hasn’t deliberately driven his car into another drivers car or tried to have a fight with them in the pit lane when things haven’t gone his way.
Look at the way Lewis handled the crash with Albon last season, admitted he was wrong and apologised. If that had been Schumacher he’d been off down the pit lane for a fight.
We could go through a list of Vettels recent mistakes but we’d be going for months. crashing out of the German race from the lead after couple of drops of rain is one of my personal favourites.
Is it really a surprising that the British media focus on a British driver who is in all likelihood going to break all records in the sport and become the most successful driver in the history of the sport ?
In any case you can’t hold Hamilton responsible for how sky talk about him, he doesn’t have any control over that. Perhaps you need an Italian sky sports subscription, I bet there totally impartial.
Yes people also hate that he has interests outside of motor racing. The year that he spent the week before the US race launching His collection with TH everybody was desperate for it all to go wrong at the race to push the he’s lost his focus narrative, but no he turned up and won.
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Unfortunately I've seen this conversation play out too many times to think that opinions can change on Hamilton. He's learned that he can't please everyone and his fans (myself included) need to move on and accept that other people simply can't warm to him.
He's a total cliche of child talent that's had to focus 100% of his youth on becoming the best in difficult circumstances and then has tried to find space to develop his personality later in life. Some of his life choices have been totally cringeworthy but he goes for it regardless of what other people or team/press management say (McLaren). To me he's an exciting and exceptional driver that hasn't been tested enough in recent years but has continued to mature and develop his personality off the track. More recently I think Verstappen in the same car would likely get the better of him but that's because of the youth and determination MV has on his side.
By comparison no matter how boring I find Vettel to watch race, how many mistakes he makes or how much whining he does I still like him as there's an interesting funny personality there. Listening to him in past interviews it's clear he grew up in a much more rounded environment and appears much more comfortable when discussing out of motorsport topics.
I'm hoping Hamilton's legacy will remember how he helped change the face of a sport that needed (imo) to change. I'm not sure how many drivers before him can claim to have had much of an impact on F1's out dated culture.
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I’d be interested to know what you consider compelling If you can’t appreciate that back story, and you can’t ignore his ethnic back ground in all that too, especially given his recent comments about the racism that he and his father experience during that period. To come through all that and be a 6 time world champion (and counting)
Because I don't really care about the personal lives of people who provide the entertainment I consume. Sure I think it's great that people from non-white backgrounds can thrive in F1, sure I think that people from non-rich backgrounds can thrive in F1. Do I find it compelling? No, he's doing his job, and doing it well.
I’m not sure what your trying to prove by list off a bunch of mistakes that Lewis made in his early f1 days, that he’s human perhaps.
You said he's done nothing worse than Max, I replied with some things that I felt were worse than Max. I even directly quoted the line. I'm not sure how you took that as me trying to portray him as human given you likely feel I have a negative opinion of him.
Look at the way Lewis handled the crash with Albon last season, admitted he was wrong and apologised. If that had been Schumacher he’d been off down the pit lane for a fight.
Disagree. Here's a similar situation with Schumacher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Akl8heb0U
We could go through a list of Vettels recent mistakes but we’d be going for months. crashing out of the German race from the lead after couple of drops of rain is one of my personal favourites.
Not sure how we got onto Vettel to be honest. And fair play to you if other people crashing out brings you joy. I'm happy I haven't stooped that low to say that I've enjoyed another team or driver suffering ;)
Is it really a surprising that the British media focus on a British driver who is in all likelihood going to break all records in the sport and become the most successful driver in the history of the sport ?
No, the bias is not surprising. I didn't say it was. I just said that it made him more difficult to like for me.
In any case you can’t hold Hamilton responsible for how sky talk about him, he doesn’t have any control over that. Perhaps you need an Italian sky sports subscription, I bet there totally impartial.
Well no, as they'd likely be incredibly biased towards Ferrari (or rabidly against them if they screw up maybe) and the coverage would likely suffer.
To clarify, as I feel there's some confusion on this point given the anti-Ferrari comments directed at me. Yes, I'm a Ferrari fan, but more than that, I'm a motorsport fan. I don't take it personally when people criticise Ferrari. I don't get joy from watching Ferrari competitors crashing out or not being able to participate to the level they should. I didn't particularly enjoy when Ferrari were so dominant and there was little competition. Some of my favourite seasons (I'm thinking 2008, 2010 and 2012 here) have resulted in a Ferrari driver narrowly being beaten to the title. I'm currently not loving the fact that Ferrari are hanging around at the back of the pack. The same would be said if it were Mercedes or Red Bull in that place, and Ferrari was walking every race. If you get enjoyment from seeing the competition suffer, that's great for you. But don't try to turn any criticism of "your" team/driver into an attack on "my" team/driver. I mean, do what you want of course, but I'm not interested in petty tribal rivalries between sports teams. I'm not interested in discussions that boil down to "Blue team sucks! Red team rules!", I just want to see some good racing.
Anyway, I've droned on long enough. Here's to the next race, where I'll hopefully get enjoyment out of some decent racing, and you'll likely get plenty of enjoyment out of Ferrari's lack of pace.
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You and I have differing definitions of compelling ;)
Losing the championship by going off into a gravel trap in the pitlane? Crashing into Kimi who was waiting at a red light at the end of the pitlane?
I think there's plenty of evidence to the contrary in the past few pages alone.
I think that's definitely present (Spain 2007 comes to mind), for me, it's the level of media bias in his favour that made it hard to like him. You'll see it every race weekend in qualifying where if he's a few tenths up on Bottas the commentators (well David Croft for the most part these days) will be gushing about it. When the roles are reversed there's barely anything said. I mean, sure, it's not quite on this level:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P-3lqN8SJ0
But it does get tiring. I think there's also an element of the whole singing career (Jacques Villeneuve also gets a bit of stick on that front) and his involvement in the fashion world which is quite different from what people generally see from racing drivers (personally I couldn't care less on this front).
I've found he's definitely matured a fair bit and would probably get a lot more respect from people if he stuck to talking about racing as he does have a habit of sticking his foot in his mouth otherwise.
That ended up a bit of a word soup there, apologies for that.