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  • Seeing as you seem so keen on persuading me not to get one, what would you suggest for a steel alternative to a Straggler / Midnight Special then?

  • a genesis? CdF or something ..

    fearless
    intec
    fairlight

    all surlys are overpriced, heavy and have shit geometry

  • Thanks, I've come across most of those before but will take another look. What's your reasoning for avoiding Surly?

    Edit: I replied before you updated with reasoning.

  • Serious question, what's wrong with the MS geometry?

    It's at least a bit different from the rest.. seems like it would be a blast to ride?

    I haven't ridden one but I'm pretty sure I want one. Reason being the alternatives seem to be either more relaxed or have longer wheelbases. If I wanted something racy feeling which I can have fun underbiking off road or on #nogravel whilst still taking on road, what would be a better choice?

  • Strong words on an Owners Forum. Why waste your time? Just view/read/comment on things you like.

    Surly tick many boxes for many people.

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