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Dry
Yeah, but they don't seem much cheaper new and I've yet to find either in XXL on ebay.
Benefit of the Orange is the 2nd hand market, so would be 1/3 the price of a new G13.
I loved my Roadrat even though it was far too small, would love a Cotic. My view on FlareMAX sizing (stack, reach, seat tube) is it's similar to a lot of the XL bikes out there. I'm all leg (92cm from saddle to BB) which means the long and low trend is working against me. For example the Cotic FlareMAX has a ~50cm seat tube meaning almost the same again in dropper post which isn't pretty and I can't quite bring myself to accept