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Yeah, but they don't seem much cheaper new and I've yet to find either in XXL on ebay.
Benefit of the Orange is the 2nd hand market, so would be 1/3 the price of a new G13.
I loved my Roadrat even though it was far too small, would love a Cotic. My view on FlareMAX sizing (stack, reach, seat tube) is it's similar to a lot of the XL bikes out there. I'm all leg (92cm from saddle to BB) which means the long and low trend is working against me. For example the Cotic FlareMAX has a ~50cm seat tube meaning almost the same again in dropper post which isn't pretty and I can't quite bring myself to accept
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For example the Cotic FlareMAX has a ~50cm seat tube meaning almost the same again in dropper post which isn't pretty and I can't quite bring myself to accept
Yeah, that looks all kinds of wrong
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Dunno what your budget is but might be worth looking at Curtis? They will do custom seat tube and head tube lengths and angles and aren’t crazy expensive for a custom full sus bike
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You know they're the same as Nicolais?
@platypus where was it that you mentioned you kept seeing G13s?
Orange - insane money, the polished ones though 🤤
Might want to have a look at Cotic's Geometry chart I've got a L and I'm 6'2" and I'm long in the trunk (32x32 jeans), and I've got the saddle all the way forward.
Santa Cruz are definitely churning out custom frames for their riders, dunno if he rides one. IMHO they're a bit bland.