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No. None of the above.
Did speak to a guy on the PL though. He’ll build a bike as good as a Kirk, but out of any material. Think that’s his main appeal versus a Kirk.
Also just remembered that his frames are welded by Andy Keech, who was head welder at Serotta. But brazing and lugs are Kelly himself.
Message ltwtsculler91 on PL. He was the guy.
Kelly Bedford was a builder I hadn't looked at before you mentioned yesterday. What research did you do on him? Did you go so far as speaking too him?