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This is true, but even if there was the political will to fix it (there isn't) or the money (there isn't that either) how long do you think it would take?
Not long at all. A couple of years at the most. Compare this to the immense speed with which London has exploded in the last two decades.
Also it's not just about money. Many people in the south don't want to live in the north not for economic reasons but cultural ones.
That's not a factor worth considering at all. If different people live somewhere, the culture will adapt. And I don't accept the very southern-centric idea that somehow the North is to looked down upon like that.
I agree very much on derelict housing but are the numbers really there to fix the problem? I don't think so.
They are. There are hundreds of thousands of empty properties around the country. Thousands of buildings at risk. With a few exceptions (the biggest heritage cases) fixing up existing buildings is quicker and cheaper.
And I don't agree that Shelter talk rubbish. They are highly respected experts on housing and ending homelessness and housing issues.
They talk just the same rubbish that everyone talks who accepts the false premise that there isn't enough housing. There's a conceptual sleight-of-hand here--of course, 'housing' must be that which is fit to live in, and many empty houses are not, so technically they don't count as 'housing'. That they can be fixed up means they are easily potential housing, though.
I'm very much afraid that I don't rate Shelter's 'expertise' in this at all. I could say more, but I won't.
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We're obviously not going to agree on this but you should read this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/38893772/housing-crisis-why-not-use-empty-properties200,000 empty homes are not enough to fill a gap which needs 250k a year.
As that article makes clear, you also can't make people live in places they don't want to live (often for very good reasons).
I'm very much afraid that I don't rate Shelter's 'expertise' in this at all. I could say more, but I won't.
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Not long at all. A couple of years at the most. Compare this to the immense speed with which London has exploded in the last two decades.
That seems wildly optimistic. Assuming you could get companies to relocate instantaneously you'd still be massively short of infrastructure. Hospitals, schools, shops, public transport, etc
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Compare this to the immense speed with which London has exploded in the last two decades
I think that is a bad example. London’s growth in the last 20 years is just a reversal of the decline over the preceding 40-50.
https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2015/01/london-1939-2015.html?m=1
Which if anything says that what we tried last time (ie move people and jobs out of the city) wasn’t really in step with what people wanted, so they moved back.
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If different people live somewhere, the culture will adapt. And I don't accept the very southern-centric idea that somehow the North is to looked down upon like that.
As a Northerner in the South, there absolutely are cultural differences, they won't go away with exposure to an influx of different people, and they are one of the two reasons I don't want to go back North.
The other is climate.
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This is true, but even if there was the political will to fix it (there isn't) or the money (there isn't that either) how long do you think it would take?
Also it's not just about money. Many people in the south don't want to live in the north not for economic reasons but cultural ones.
I agree very much on derelict housing but are the numbers really there to fix the problem? I don't think so.
And I don't agree that Shelter talk rubbish. They are highly respected experts on housing and ending homelessness and housing issues.