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I think it's more about inattention than tiredness, but yeah; I guess the two things can be related.
I'm probably just trying to rationalise my own stupidity, but the impression I have is that on other bikes, I can have a wobbly moment and recover it, whereas this one seems to be less forgiving.
Which is the opposite of what is expect from the slacker angles on the Surly.
ChasnotRobert
@Chalfie
Have both offs happened when you're tired?
I mean, the second one sounds like it might be. 3 hour ride? (anything over an hour for me is long, so I might be skewed there)
Maybe your weight wasn't on the front so much? Hit a lump, boom off.
First one, maybe similar?