Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Vallance just told MPs that Sage told the govt to lock down a week before they actually did it.

I dont know how uk reasoned but here (sweden) they never argued that mask wont help if everything else the same. It was / is the worry that ppl that are not used to mask cant handle them properly and also could feel safe and take bigger risks (less social distancing) because of the masks.

Dont think that was a concearn in societies that are used to implementing masks lika china and south korea (i presume).

Ive been home with covid for 5 weeks today ;/ turns out i likely got it from my lbs mechanic.

Ive been home with covid for 5 weeks today ;/ turns out i likely got it from my lbs mechanic.

Should have stuck to Wiggle (I hope you're on the mend?)

Ive been home with covid for 5 weeks today

Hope you are on the mend.

Those are fair points, and it took me a while to be convinced on mask wearing as well. Mathematical modelling and research that shows indoor transmission is the big risk means I am now covering up in the shop.

Hope you are getting better soon! 5 weeks? Ouch :(

Did the lbs test positive as well?

Ive been home with covid for 5 weeks today ;/ turns out i likely got it from my lbs mechanic.

Sorry to hear this - I hope you are recovering.

Thanks guys!

Yeah im doing okay. I was never really bad as in thinking about hospital or such. But after 5 weeks it gets to you. And a few times during these weeks u get brain ghosts from just knowing that this little bugger has the potential to get rid of you. Its not a thought i was familiar with or liked very much..

After 3 weeks i was feeling better and since my stomach goes nuts from sitting still (corona or no corona) i was out pedalling as soon i felt i could do so. Not hard but still out for 20-30 min to get my system going and help my stomach a bit. That felt okay for a few days but then i think i pushed it the 3rd day and went back into staying in bed for a few days with just incredible fatigue and various little symptoms and since its been a slow recovery from that. Today im well enough to ride my bike again around the block but im not pushing it this time. Letting my body recover a bit more before i go uphill and try to see where im at.

But today dont feel all that bad so im in good spirits.

But PPE isn't the same as the stuff people like me would be wearing to shops is it?

No sure. I just mean you can’t tell your public to wear masks in shops without admitting your primary care workers etc probably should have supplies.

Oof. Wishing a speedy recovery.

Masks became big in the UK about 4 weeks ago when Trish greenhalgh started talking about them. As a leading light in ebm, and author of "how to read a paper" and other maizeballs bits of being a proper science type while also doing some doctoring, they started to advocate the use of masks. And started the "look, other countries do it, this disease is spread by droplets/respiratory, we should try a barrier method. We don't need a clinical trial for this." And off it went on twitter and now we're here.

Wearing masks/ coverings has also increased asmore factories have built up capacity I'm guessing? And more people are out and about through necessity. There's a difference between face coverings and ppe masks right?

There's a difference between face coverings and ppe masks right?

Definitely. PPE masks are tighter fitting and have a denser filtration mesh. I've got a stash of very-timed-out N95 masks which I use for metalwork, to stop me having black bogeys and a tight chest after a few hours polishing fillet brazing. The fit is much tighter than my Covid masks, and the filtration material is much denser. They are much less comfortable though, due to the metal nose strap and tighter elastic.

You’re talking about preventing you your own self rather than preventing others from your own self.

No, I'm talking about the differences between N95-spec PPE face masks and fabric face coverings, which is in direct response to the question asked.

If you want to protect yourself from viral contamination, you need more than an N95 rated mask, hence the use of full-face visors in hospitals.

As you pointed out barber saloon ^^^^^ you used go to a non talking and not a stylist, this might not apply to you, but possibly worth a read: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6928e2-H.pdf

Wearing of face coverings/masks publically is not to stop you catching but to stop you spreading.

Frustratingly, I read (well skimmed) an article somewhere about how because of the different languages used advice from countries doing well has been missed. (South Korea vs Europe)

I am down with making re-usable cotton masks the norm in public places. And then prevent a run on medical equipment by making it a faux pas to use disposable surgical masks if you're not in a professional setting.
Jersey material can't really compare to the N95 stuff, I know. It only reduces infectiousness of a sneeze or cough by 50%. But at the same time I think that 50% is a huge number for something that requires so little cost or effort.

I just received marketing material from a company that claims installing new AtmosAir purifiers in their premises will kill 99.9% of all airborn viruses. How credible is this?

How credible is this?

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Not implausible for an HVAC system, but it does only apply to air passing through the unit and does nothing for direct person-to-person or surface contamination, so whether it's any bloody use is another question.

Death rates are complicated; PHE rate includes anybody who ever had a positive test whilst Scotland and Wales use a 28 day cut-off.

"The oddity was revealed in a paper by Yoon K Loke and Carl Heneghan of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University, called “Why no one can ever recover from Covid-19 in England – a statistical anomaly”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/17/matt-hancock-calls-urgent-inquiry-phe-covid-19-death-figures

That's going to feed nicely into "Can't trust stats it's all a hoax" narrative :(

Though those people probably use statistics like a dog uses a lamppost anyway: For support, not illumination.

The analogy is better than that, my dogs have never used lamp posts to support themselves, and these people will happily piss all over the stats

They are maybe more like the analogy of playing chess with a pigeon? ;)

Or the "don't wrestle with pigs, you just get covered in mud and the pig will enjoy it..."

I always thought it was drunks not dogs in the saying?!

So, going by the announcement, everything's going to be back to normal by November then? Fucksake.