• Yeah I agree/get all that. It was the idea -

    Wonder if they’d feel the same if there were similar dolls but white. Could even call the female versions Karen.

    - that I didn't think made sense. Because of exactly the reasons you detailed above. White ragdolls exist from the same era. Barbie, Cindy etc later. But without the context there can be no "similar", so "how they'd feel" to me doesn't make sense.

  • This. Which is why "how would you feel if..." arguments are bullshit and why counter-racism (against white people) isn't the same thing. I've seen articles where people claim "Gammon" is a racist term, or "Karen" is as bad as the n-word. Bollocks.

  • people claim ...”Karen" is as bad as the n-word. Bollocks.

    Which is why I figured it would be the kind of thing to get knickers in a twist, while still lacking the colonialist element.

  • Agreed it’s not the same thing but they’re still derogatory terms based on someone’s skin colour which is unacceptable imo.

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