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  • I'm a 12 or 13 UK, but you always size down for climbing shoes. Kinda depends on the shape of your foot, 46 fits me fine in La Sportiva for example. You are welcome to come and try them if you want. I'm in Herne Hill

  • 2nd dibs if you'll post them? let me know if above falls through

  • I'll give it a pass. I'm 99% sure it'll be the same for me. Thanks for the offer to try them on, though!

  • Interesting reminder that things can go wrong v.quick out there:

    https://youtu.be/CRf7CnhOzXY

    Spoiler: he survives

  • Absolute fucking choppers. Sliding down wet and icy grass to move downhill like that.

    I don’t wish an accident on anyone, far from it, but Jesus I was on edge just watching them move. Stumbling around on Crib Goch while trying to hold a fucking GoPro.

  • There're decisions they took that I'd hope I wouldn't. I'd not set off in those conditions for starters. I think they handled things relatively well once they found him although I'd question his decision to go find help from the path alone once MRT were called. Another slip and the situation escalates massively then. That said, finding the nurse then the other walkers for more kit/shelter may well have saved the guys life.

  • Sobering video. I thought they did OK. The guy videoing was more confident on the steep ground so I thought it was fair enough to get more help. Big errors 1) trying to do Crib Goch in those conditions (with a deteriorating forecast), but a bigger error in my opinion was trying to escape to the Pyg Track half way along. The guy videoing and his partner seemed OK, the guy who got injured and his partner almost seemed to be persuaded to use that route and my impression was they were less experienced and hence it ended badly.

  • I'm after a new set of walking boots. I've had a pair of Adidas Terrex ones for about 3 years which were great to start, really comfortable, waterproof and lightweight. Only looking to replace them because they seem to have shrunk somehow (either that or my feet have changed shape) and they're generally looking a bit worse for wear.
    I'm vegan so after something with no animal products such as leather etc. Other than that criteria I'm not really sure where to start! Not looking to break the bank but would rather spend more on something that'll last than cheap out and have to replace in a couple of years.

  • https://www.scarpa.co.uk/trek/maverick-gtx/
    These look decent, and are vegan - something which Scarpa state on their site, which might make finding something a bit easier.

    I’ve always got on well with Scarpa boots.

  • Maybe I’m being too harsh, or I’m just used to being with very competent people on the hills - usually fell runners or climbers. But that guy is a guide of some sort. Pretty ridiculous that he’d potentially be in charge of paying customers. Obviously what he does with clients will be very different to what he’s doing in the video, but still.

  • Do you know how wide your feet are? I think Scarpa are quite narrow

  • Thanks for sharing. High winds in the mountains are no joke, especially with mist like that. Glad guy survived and no one else got hurt.

    Went climbing in Patagonia a couple years ago, sudden winds so strong that I had to wear sunglasses because the tiny drops of rain were stabbing my eyes so hard I couldn’t keep them open. Standing was impossible, even crawling was a challenge. To this day I still wonder what happened to the fools who kept going under those conditions.

  • They do look decent, cheers! I do have slightly wider than average feet I think so would want to try them on. I'm thinking it's probably worth sticking with what I have for now, waiting until things are a bit more normal and finding somewhere to try a few pairs on. With that in mind, maybe suggestions for brands to consider or avoid might be more useful for now!

  • I take your point here - I looked at some of his other videos and he's a Grade-A twat for sure, I would not be paying him money to be guided by him. Calling yourself "Brave Dave" is a massive red flag for starters

    During and after the accident happened I didn't have any particular criticisms. If he wants to be on Crib Goch in those conditions that's his problem but his big error was using the escape route that was clearly very dangerous, and more dangerous than continuing over Carnedd Ugain (when you've past the most technical sections already if I recall), but worse persuading the other two suckers to follow him down.

  • I have wide feet and wear Scarpa boots FWIW.

  • another +1 for scarpa, my crux approach shoes lasted for ages after much beating up

  • +1 Scarpa, much comfy and no breaking in, just got my other half some.

    Going to Buxton next week, any recommendations for not too intense <10mile walks?

    Also, is there a way to download other people's routes from viewranger, or am I stuck re-drawing them myself?

  • Being there in those conditions isn't just his problem though it's it... It's his 3 mates, and also mountain rescue problem too..

    Actions and bad decisions like that, put other people's lives at risk, forcing them to come out and assist when really there should be no need. Volunteers who should be at home with their families rather than helping people who should no better..

    I appreciate and am so grateful for the emergency services we have in the UK, but sadly they get put in vulnerable positions too often by the folly of others.

  • I agree to some extent, but where do you draw the line? What would be lethal conditions for some might be fine for an experienced party. Also, the bloke who got injured and his mate weren't originally with "Brave Dave", they just followed him down off the ridge.

    I guess my summary is Dave is a twat but he was confident with the conditions and terrain and not a liability. Big mistake was dropping off the ridge AND taking two randoms with him. (suspect he dropped into "guiding" mode without thinking that he had no idea of these guys' skills & experience) None of this covers him glory.

    However once the accident had happened he stayed calm, did the right things and contributed to saving the guy's life.

  • Oh for sure, he did good when it went sideways, and without him it might have gone horribly South instead. I'll definitely say I don't know where the line is. For me it's just highlighting the point that nothing is in isolation. Decisions have consequences, and sometimes, in hindsight (sadly rather than foresight enough to avoid entirely), we can judge the decisions to have been a bit off..or wildly off.

    It's rare that something is truly just one person's problem. And on that day, in that set of circumstances, it was certainly more than one person's problem, which unfortunately could have actually been no-ones problem if different choices were made all round. That's kind of my base line point.

  • Irregardless of circumstances, thank goodness for people with skills and knowledge and capacity for being able to assist those who need it. At home, away, wherever. That's an amazing thing.

  • Agreed. Video should be required watching for any budding UK mountaineers

  • confident with the conditions and terrain and not a liability

    I think I just completely disagree with this. His movement on rock on the ridge, and sliding down wet grass were both a disaster waiting to happen. Everyone likes to tout that accidents can happen to anyone, but in my experience they seem to happen to certain people more than others. I don't think I'm immune to injury or accident for that matter, but considering I spotted so many red flags in such a short video, it doesn't come as a surprise that things went south.

  • On the rock I wasn't too concerned, it often looks more exposed than it actually is on those videos. I agree re the wet grass though on reflection.

  • It's like the book 127 hours... So many red flags. Made me so angry that did..

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