Hiking, Scrambling, Mountaineering, and Climbing

That's the one with the little bothy? It's a bit far from here but I do want to get up there at some point, and maybe make it a 2 dayer.

Yeah, that's the one.

Only slightly closer, but with much better access, could do sugarloaf hill at Abergavenny.

I know this is an odd thread to dredge up while stuck indoors. But I was thinking about hiking/ cycling and outershells.

Is there a outer shell that is both hiking and cycling friendly? I mean, it's longer at the back with rear cycling pockets as well as normal front pockets and perhaps a hood?

My favourite shell is my gortex cycling shell but it lacks in front pockets and a hood. But it's great of heavy rain and sweaty work obviously.

I saw some great shells in Canada, proper heavyduty ones with amazing fabric. I hate shells that feel like bin bags or bin liners. But the thing that stopped me was that they didn't have that extra length at the back for cycling.

The Rapha explore is long, and has a chest pocket, but no rear pockets. Is it that common to find cycling waterproofs with rear pockets? Surely those pockets would be on your jersey instead?

I'd also be concerned that a cycling waterproof would be slimmer fit than a hiking equivalent - avoiding flapping excess material is a priority for cycling, but having room to wear more layers and have less restricted movement is important for hiking.

You could try one of the longer cut hiking jackets for cycling in, like this:
https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15981433/15981433-berghaus-mens-cornice-waterproof-jacket-navy-blue
I imagine the long front would be annoying though (compared to just the long back of a cycling waterproof).

Edit: I reckon this fits the bill pretty well (apart from rear pockets).
https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15895291/rab-men-s-mantra-waterproof-jacket-15895291

Cheers @nefarious!

Actually I think the solution might be mountain bike waterproof.

I think these might be a solution.

That Rab is quite nice though

Bosh. Good to know!

Joe Brown died over the weekend.
Its a big loss, I met him once while too little to know. My dad and him had a few conversations over the years after my dad bumped into him on the Roaches and offered him a cup of tea. Ive dropped by his shop a fair few times as well.

Bit of a hero of mine growing up reading about what he did, and then being able to go and see the routes he set with equipment he made himself. If anyone knows the roaches, he put up one of the most iconic routes in climbing, The Sloth. Or at least if I remember correctly he did. Ive never had the guts to give it a go myself, never really being that good a climber.

One of the greatest rock climbers of his generation. Sad news.

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I've got an Arcteryx Sawyer jacket which I bought for walking, for its length -i was fed up of getting the stuff in my pockets wet when the rain ran off shorter jackets. It's basically replaced my cycling waterproof though, because I find it more useful to have a jacket I can wear for both.

My only complaint is that the hip pockets aren't pitched right for a backpack with a hip strap, cos it's a 'city' jacket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m_P_RzrQu4

Joe and Don were next level.

Yes very sad news but he had a good long life. I’ve done a few of his routes ( Cenotaph Corner, Cemetery Gates, Right Unconquerable etc but wasn’t Sloth a Whillans route ?) I’ll check.
A friend spent ages fighting his way up Cenotaph Corner and proud as punch in the pub that night went up to the Great Man and said ‘ I did your route today’. Joe replied -‘ was that you - I thought you were having a picnic you were on it so long’ !

Which pub? we never popped into the old rock, preferring a few others.

Think it was the Padarn but it was a long time ago

Also, I fell off cenotaph the one and only time I climbed in llanberis. I couldn't get enough gear in to trust a second attempt, so my much better partner climbed it and I seconded, but I came off at least 4 times more. It was wet.

Thoughts on this news? https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2020/05/can_we_climb+hillwalk_new_govt_advice_is_partial_green_light-72307

https://www.thebmc.co.uk/can-i-start-climbing-and-hill-walking-again

Bit too soon.

Coniston MRT sum it up well.
https://www.facebook.com/176432572398040/posts/3781575878550340/

Hello All,

Hopefully you’re all managing to stay safe and healthy through the
Covid-19 pandemic.

We know that many of you will be desperate to get back on the fells
and trails, and to get your Lake District “fix”. The relaxation of the
Coronavirus lockdown may have been music to your ears, when the Prime
Minister stated that it is now Ok to drive any distance to take your
exercise. This came as a total surprise to us as a Mountain Rescue
Team (MRT), Cumbria Police, Cumbria Tourist Board, The Lake District
National Park and also The National Trust. Simply, the Lake District
is NOT ready for a large influx of visitors. The hospitality sector
remains closed, some car parks may be re-opening, along with some
toilet facilities, but this is an enforced opening due to this
announcement to cater for those that do decide to come, rather than an
invitation. Why are we, Coniston Mountain Rescue Team, so concerned
about the relaxation of the travel to exercise rules? Maybe if we talk
you through what happens it may explain why we’re worried. Firstly,
we are all volunteers – most of us have day jobs from which we take
time off to deal with incidents during work hours, or time out of the
rest of our lives “out of hours”, and secondly most of us have
families who we need to protect. How a rescue might play out during
the Covid-19 pandemic:-

1. Paul and Sarah came up from Preston, and have summited the Old Man of Coniston, had their lunch and set off down towards Goats Water.
   
2. Paul slips and hears a crack from his left ankle, Sarah tries to help, but Paul can’t put weight on his ankle which is at a funny angle
   anyway. Paul is 15 stone and 6ft 2 tall. Sarah is fit but no way
   could she help Paul back down.
   
3. Sarah dials 999, remembers to ask for Police and then Mountain Rescue, the operator takes the details and asks a lot of questions to
   assess the Covid-19 risk posed by both Paul & Sarah to the MRT, and
   subsequently to Ambulance and medical staff that will need to treat
   Paul.
   
4. In the meantime, four groups of people come by, they all say they’d love to help but haven’t got any Personal Protective Equipment (PPE)
   and must socially distance themselves by at least 2 metres.
   
5. The Police alert Coniston MRT to the incident via SARCALL, and the Duty Team Leader (TL) calls Sarah, having sent her a link by text for
   her to click on to confirm their exact position, and asks more
   questions, to work out the resources needed.
   
6. The TL then calls other members of the Leader Group to discuss the requirements and decides a 10 member group is required on the hill,
   and alerts the Team to that requirement.
   
7. The Team numbers are depleted anyway, we have a number of people who contribute massively to the Team generally but are over 70 years
   old, i.e. higher risk group, we have people who may be shielding a
   family member, or at risk themselves due to underlying medical
   conditions that normally wouldn’t be an issue. So a team of 10
   assemble at the MRT base, plus someone to run the base – this person
   is important as it helps with coordination of other services letting
   the hill party get on with the job.
   
8. All members are briefed regarding the incident, and check all are happy with the unknown invisible risk posed by the incident; the risk
   of walking up the fell is taken as read and a baseline anyway. All PPE
   is checked.
   
9. Team members climb aboard two of the Team’s three vehicles. Why only two when social distancing could be better in 3 vehicles? The
   need to decontaminate the vehicles on return probably outweighs the
   advantage of social distancing, and it leaves another vehicle able to
   respond to any other incidents.
   
10. Normally the Team would mobilise within 10-15 minutes of this type of call, due to all the pre-checks, personnel checks etc., time
    elapsed thus far is 45 minutes.
    
11. The vehicles arrive at the road head, one last check on PPE and kit for the incident, including radios, and the Team sets off for the
    casualty site. Walking time to site is around 45-60 minutes.
    
12. The Team can’t call on the Air Ambulance for support as they're off-line for this type of incident due to staff being redeployed
    elsewhere in the NHS or due to other priorities and risk factors so
    cannot support. Similar with Coastguard Helicopters...
    
13. On site, one casualty carer and one assistant will approach the casualty with as much PPE on as possible, and may well apply PPE to
    the patient before carrying out a full primary survey, in this case
    that’s simple, Paul’s ankle is (probably) broken, and there are no
    other underlying medical factors like a head injury, multiple other
    injuries or catastrophic bleeding.
    
14. The casualty carer and helper would normally give Paul some Entonox (pain killing gas) while they straighten his ankle to ensure a
    pulse at the foot and also maybe a pain killing injection. The
    injection takes 15 mins or so to work, but Entonox is not given
    because of the potential risk of contamination. However, the foot
    needs straightening ASAP to restore the pulse in Paul’s foot. Paul
    screams as the casualty carer re-aligns the foot (it’s called reducing
    the injury) to restore circulation and allow for splinting.
    
15. Paul’s ankle is splinted and although he’s still in pain, it’s less than it was and the painkilling injection is starting to take
    effect. Time elapsed since Paul fell is now 2 hours 15 mins.
    
16. The Team moves in and helps Paul on to the stretcher, the stretcher is made of stainless steel and heavy, it is about 2.5 metres
    long and maybe 0.6 metre wide, usually it takes 8 people to carry a
    loaded stretcher, they cannot socially distance.
    
17. The Team carries Paul down to the Walna Scar road, where they’ve asked a North West Ambulance Service land ambulance to meet them to
    reduce potential contamination at base. The carry down has taken 2
    hours, so now it’s 4 hrs 15 since Paul fell. Paul is transferred to
    the Ambulance and taken to Furness General Hospital. Sarah can’t
    drive, but can’t go in the Ambulance either. How can the Team get
    Sarah re-united with Paul and then how do they both get home to
    Preston when Paul is fixed? What happens to their car? In normal
    circumstances we can fix these issues, not so easy in the Covid-19
    pandemic.
    
18. The Team returns to base and starts to decontaminate the stretcher, the vehicles, the non-disposable medical equipment, the
    splint and themselves. Jackets and other clothing are all bagged ready
    to go in their washing machines when they get home, which takes a
    further 1 hour 15 minutes. Total time elapsed 5hrs 30 minutes. Total
    man hours 10 folk on the hill plus 1 running base = 60.5 man hours.
    
19. Paul is admitted to Furness General Hospital after a wait of 1 hour at A&E. He is taken to cubicles and X Rayed to understand his
    ankle injury better. He is also routinely tested for Covid-19. Paul’s
    ankle needs an operation to pin it as the break is a bad one.
    
20. Paul’s Covid-19 test comes back positive. Oh dear! Paul is asymptomatic, he has the virus but is either naturally immune or has
    not yet developed symptoms. The message is passed back to Coniston
    MRT, who then have to check the records of those on the incident.
    Every one of them, the ten people on the incident and the base
    controller, must now self isolate and so must their families, so now
    we have maybe 35 people all having to self-isolate. Plus possibly the
    Ambulance crew and their families.
    
21. Three days later Eric from Essex decides he wants to come to Coniston to do the 7 Wainwrights in the Coniston Fells. He sets off,
    and completes Dow Crag, the Old Man, Brim Fell along to Swirl How and
    Great Carrs and across to Grey Friar, then on up to Wetherlam. Eric
    puts his foot down on a rock, the rock moves and Eric is in a heap on
    the floor, his foot is at a funny angle...he gets his phone out and
    dials for Mountain Rescue... but there are only three people available
    from the Coniston Team now, so the decision needs to be taken by the
    Coniston MRT duty leader which Team to call to support, Neighbouring
    Teams are Langdale-Ambleside and Duddon & Furness MRT’s. The issue is,
    they’re in the same situation as Coniston with people self-isolating
    due to potential contamination, or their members are keyworkers in the
    NHS and can’t deploy on MRT incidents. So – we’re asking you to think
    twice, even three times before you embark upon travelling to the Lake
    District for your exercise. The risk, however small, is real, and I
    write this as a MRT member for over 30 years with probably around 1000
    incidents under my belt, I know, accidents happen.
    

Just came back on to share this - brilliant post. Yes, I think it's way too soon too. Everything is so vague!

Stay home. The countryside / National Parks doesn't need any extra viral load now.

I've been finding all sorts of odd little places within walking distance recently.

The sad thing is that some of the outdoors groups I subscribe too have members saying 'I'm going out because BoJo says I can'.

Sensible advice, but the majority of accidents I’ve seen in the lakes have involved people who don’t appear to be the type to take advice or follow guidelines.

Good God there are silly twats on the BMC FB pages at the moment.

'I'm not going to get injured, I'm allowed to go to the Lakes'

'I've spent 6 weeks in lockdown, I'm allowed to go out to the mountains'

'I live in Devon'

FFS...
Coniston MRT

Edit: What @rhb said.

I've got a couple of guidebooks for sale - bought in hope and never used.

Walking the North Downs Way - Cicerone Guide. It's a guidebook and a route map booklet in the same folder. Never used. £13 posted

Walking in the Bavarian Alps - Cicerone - 3rd edition 2014. Again, never used, only lightly flicked through. Very inspiring. £12 posted.

Bored? Slow Ways are looking for volunteers to test their walking network between villages, towns and cities.

https://ravenellison.com/slow-ways-volunteer-training-online/

FS: Scarpa Instinct VS, Size 46
Worn half a dozen times before I concluded they were definitely too small. Some wear to the soles but plenty of life left. £20

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Dibs pending more deets? What's your street size?

edit - epic tv seems to say a Scarpa 46 is about 11 UK which would be too small for me, but still curious to hear what you're normal size is

edit again - I actually have some old Scarpas and they're 47. Boo.