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Kind of, although that in itself is the point of such questioning, trying to ascertain the scale of any lockdowns and how they might work. The journalist might be forgiven for thinking that for, as always, nothing meaningful is put out by the government before it does anything. If it is closing a hospital office or business why can't he say that, it's useful information that might allow people to plan their lives rather than dismissing any talk of what a lockdown might constitute as hypothetical.

I just think he's winging it or at least that's the impression he gives except of course when he's on territory close to his heart such as Chester Zoo.

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The question wasn’t at all about possible scale. It was about a specific scale - one hypothetical person. So you’re adding that.

The journo deliberately asked a hypothetical question so specific it’s can’t easily be answered concisely. All likely answers support a narrative of vague plans and ‘a government out of control’ - happy journo!

The government may be out of control, but that’s still dull, tacky journalism.

“It’s not a hypothetical because it might happen”

Ok mate.

Ok, well notwithstanding dull, tacky journalism I’m sure we will enjoy finding out whatever is planned for local lockdowns probably on a Saturday night with any attached guidelines following at some point the following week. I’m relaxed about it, they definitely know what they’re doing..

Amazing, he quite literally said absolutely nothing... Quite incredible...

https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/05/uk_government_publishes_covid_19_contracts/

Despite a legal challenge over data privacy, the rights to Covid app data use are already sold.

Did not waste time fucking us over

Really don't give a shit.

It's not clear to me that this has anything to do with the covid app (let alone the "rights" to data), rather than general data management contracts with some sketchy looking bonuses given to the successful bidders. Maybe I'm missing something? Regardless, I hope campaigners manage to get the full story on what the contracts do say and allow.

(as far as I can tell, the rights being described in the article are derived rights to IP which emerge from their work, not rights to data. But keen to be corrected if wrong)

You are are right it is about rights to IP coming from the data analysis.

So, there already is a project to sell NHS England data for analysis to private companies.

There are concerns this data is not anonymized well enough. Government parts that want to sell it are rather "meh" unfortunately. (and also, that data analysis is worth a lot, why sell it off, rather than let the UK do the analysis and sell that one for lots of £££ ? )

From the article:
"UK government has published the contracts it holds with private tech firms and the NHS for the creation of a COVID-19 data store, just days after campaigners fired legal shots over a lack of transparency.

Available on the openDemocracy website, the contracts describe how the arrangements between the NHS and Amazon, Microsoft, Google, and AI firms Faculty and Palantir (which subcontracts to AWS) will operate."

Amazon/MS do storage.
But Google I believe not really, and Faculty and Palantir do data analysis. So to me contracts being signed with that lot suggests the Covid data analysis rights are sold on already.

So even though there could be a legal challenge on the covid data they are already happy selling on the sorta anonimized data sets and the issues around the nhs data analysis are not yet resolved. Well that's how I understand it.

Had the swab tests today too. Once a week for the next month scheduled and then once a month.

Just got the letter from the ONS today, we'll be signing up too (although that's no guarantee we'll be selected though).

The worst thing is swabbing the back of your throat before doing your nose. The smell at the back of your throat if like mine is not pleasant.

I don't know, I always quite liked the smell of the back of your throat.

https://youtu.be/qG9ZWUitFik

Looks like Bergamo might be getting close to herd immunity at 57% with antibodies.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-antibodies/over-half-of-people-tested-in-italian-city-of-bergamo-have-covid-19-antibodies-idUSKBN23F2JV

They also had 2245 deaths...by April.

I suppose the question is: At what price herd immunity? Bergamo may offer some unpleasant insights.

Assuming the population is 120,000, that's about a 3.4% mortality rate.

Jeez

That is horrific

A slightly-older-than-average population has probably not helped that.

"[In Bergamo in 2010] Minors (children ages 18 and younger) totalled 16.79 percent of the population compared to pensioners who number 23.61 percent. This compares with the Italian average of 17.88 percent (minors) and 20.29 percent (pensioners)."

Horrible numbers either way.

It is hard to compare, but since a very bad flu pandemic in the UK has a 0.025% mortality rate...with a vaccine and treatment even 1% is a huge figure :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abOofwp6olY
this is interesting I thought, youtube is full of people's stories

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Abbott or Roche assay?

Abbott.

Out of curiosity I'm going to work out the chance of a false negative for that test, unless anyone else did that in all that maths a few pages ago.

6% quoted- though FDA has higher.