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Oh yeah, I can see both sides of the arguments. I would never have pegged him as a white supremacist, we've got a lot of friends in common who are definitely not nazis. It may be a case of him going too far with the controversial imagery and not considering they aren't just historical, they have modern day meaning too. But then he could be hiding in plain sight.
I'm in to black metal which is similarly tricky; there are some definitely neo-nazi bands but there's also a lot that play with similary themes to different extents and deny any kind of nazi-relatedness. It's hard to tell who's being genuine and who's lying to try and avoid media controversy, and likewise some people are more happy than others to separate artist and art.
The treatment of the employee at Temple is just wrong, no excuses. I can't tell from the article if Simon was involved in the abuse but he should have stopped it and come out stronger about it never happening again.
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Yeah it's definitely a complex issue! As long as you listen to one Dawn Ray'd song for every NSBM song I reckon you're golden.
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Oh yeah, I can see both sides of the arguments. I would never have pegged him as a white supremacist, we've got a lot of friends in common who are definitely not nazis. It may be a case of him going too far with the controversial imagery and not considering they aren't just historical, they have modern day meaning too. But then he could be hiding in plain sight.
I think in terms of the imagery he could've got away with it - every other tattoo studio had someone with people 'reclaiming' the swastika back in the 90s.
But someone dug out some comments he wrote on his artwork saying something along the lines of 'jesus was the sneakiest jew who ever lived, he created a religion to keep gentiles on their knees'. So it clearly goes a bit further than the imagery.
There's been some great #metoo type stuff happening with problematic artists these days too, really great to see.
ltc
ReekBlefs
It can only be a good thing. It seems like maybe people are feeling more confident about speaking out about past abuse, seeing the support that others have been getting after doing so. There's been some discussion about the Simon Erl/ Temple situation in the Vegan thread.