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  • How would you decide between the two i.e. which would be better suited for a neo retro build? The Tuyl is aero shaped all around with asymetrical tubing but a little heavier all around. The Joe would require the least investment but it's a little plain...

  • I’d decide based on which was the more interesting, paint and tubing wise. Weight not really an issue imo unless the difference is huge. Van Tuyl sounds like it might be a nicer frameset

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