Sleeping systems - bags, pads, matts, liners

How much would you pay for the above? Already a bid on it.

There's also a neutrino 200 on for 155 which seems ok?

it's better performance than the neutrino, so pay what you can

synthetic insulation degrades a lot quicker than down. so never buy second hand synthetic sleeping bags or jackets unless they've obviously hardly been used.

didn't know that.

yes, it's compression related

more: https://old.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/7d1yzp/do_synthetic_down_substitutes_really_have_a/

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rab-Quantum-Endurance-400-down-sleeping-bag/224006069596?hash=item3427cd5d5c%3Ag%3AcxkAAOSw08FeuE~Q&LH_ItemCondition=3000

thoughts?

Not great

again, read this thread

Just spent three nights in the garden.

First two nights in a backpacker2 tent on a regular inflatable mat, inside the old snugpak jungle bag with an army bivvi for extra insulation. I don’t have a thicker sleeping bag at the moment, but that setup works for me. After two nights that tent is definitely too small so bought the OEX Phoxx II (as mentioned in tent thread). A world of difference having an extra couple cm height and all the extra length.

Anyway I had also ordered on prime, and slept on one of these last night. Can’t believe how comfortable it was.

Usually I’ve had hip pain and other hotspot pains from traditional self-inflatable sleep pads. I remember using an army one for a month on a wooden floor in NYC and every morning was pain. Effectively the same with nights 1 & 2 using the self-inflatable.

This was the cheapest I could find it on prime, but I guess they are even cheaper elsewhere or direct from China.

It only took a few breaths to pump up. It seemed noisy to start and bottoms out when all the pressure is over a small area. During the night the amount of noise it made was negligible, partly because I wasn’t fidgeting much at all. The pillow was acceptable, and I have no neck pain today after sleeping on my side most of the night, but I actually fell asleep on my back, and woke up on my back, so i must have been comfortable.

Once you’re laying across all the mat, it supports well.

No idea how long it lasts, durability is questionable.

Pack size and weight is pretty okay. Not bidon-sized but for £16 it’s a massive ‘game changer’ for me.

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my current ebay search for sleeping bags/quilts is:

(cumulus, nunatak, rab, phd, montbell, marmot, mountain hardware, western mountaineering, mountain laurel, omm)

Does anyone else have any good quality brands they would add?

Are Patagonia bags any good?

I would also like to know this

I have never owned a sleeping bag. All my knowledge is from this thread.

I mean, they're expensive and fairly reputable brand and they make bags but I don't have first hand experience. Maybe throw it in your list and if one comes up you can ask for any one's experience?

I've had a Mountain Designs bag for years. They're an Aussie brand. Used to have shops but think they're online only now. Certainly not a lightweight down bag but it's clearly durable.

https://www.mountaindesigns.com/equipment/sleeping/sleeping-bags

I'd think they're ok, but not at the level of phd, mld, zpacks etc. I doubt many patagonia bags ahve down > 900 FP. Just keep an eye on the down FP and 850+ you're okay.

Yeah I have no idea, I just saw the list of brands and Patagonia popped into my head.

3 year old review of an 850 bag.
https://gearjunkie.com/patagonia-sleeping-bag-review-2017

That same article lists some other US brands for comparison:

A handful of sleeping bags from other brands compete with the Patagonia models. The Phase 20 from Marmot, as one example, uses the same down quality, and it costs and weighs about the same ($479, 1lbs 11oz). It’s rated to 20 degrees and with lithe Pertex Quantum GL fabric packs up small.

The North Face sells the Inferno 15 for $499. Its similar specs include 800-fill goose down and its namesake 15-degree temp rating. The bag weighs 2 pounds 5 ounces, or a bit more than the Patagonia 19-degree.

Mountain Hardwear, Sea To Summit, NEMO, Sierra Designs, and several other brands have similar lightweight sleeping bags, including with high-loft down, thin fabric, and body-hugging warmth.

Granted, you can pay much less for a sleeping bag. Search REI or any retailer and you’ll see sub-20-degree models for hundreds of dollars less.

The REI Co-op Radiant Sleeping Bag is a great example. The 19-degree, down-insulated bag starts at just $119. It weighs about a pound more than the Patagonia 19-degree and uses a fine (but lower-quality) 600-fill duck down.

All relative isn't it. A 80 quid 2nd hand patagonia will be good for 80, but won't come close to a 600 quid PHD.

ignore OMM they're primaloft gold not down.

Try lots of brands to find out what you want - and then get PHD to make you one

is this FP 850+ thing the minimum or is it like "endurance racer" tier? I feel like this thread has had some kind of inflation take place where at the start (I've read the whole thing more than once) it was everyone buying an alpkit pipedream and saying how good it is, and at some point it became "buy decathlon or make your own gear"

I even think the 850FP has been an inflation, didn't someone say 800+ is enough in the past? (yes, you: https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/157341/?offset=450#comment14195899 and you actually said 750 was OK!)

I'm trying to buy something to try out this summer/autumn/ next spring maybe that won't be a waste of money and isn't so bad that it will make me prematurely hate sleeping outdoors. I get that the better things are better and you have to pay for that privilege. I just don't want to spend that much (even second hand it feels like the big boy 900FP down stuff is all over 200?) and don't want to buy new.

This thread is all bollocks. Just sleep in a plastic bag with a My Little Pony sleeping bag from Argos.

For cycling with? Hiking? Driving to a campsite and sleeping in a tent? Different bags for different activities and then you've got different budgets in each of those activities. Are you trying to win a bikepacking race or are you taking a clunker MTB 50mi from home to sleep in a field? Summer/winter use? Yada yada.

https://www.lfgss.com/comments/15324778/

Maybe I'm just overthinking things, I thought if I can build a list of useful brands to search for on eBay it could help future part timers like myself. Anyway, current list is:

(Sea To Summit, NEMO, Sierra Designs, patagonia, cumulus, nunatak, rab, phd, montbell, marmot, mountain hardware, western mountaineering, mountain laurel, decathlon)

it's in brackets so it can be ready used as an ebay search term (brackets means return any of the comma separated terms)

Maybe I'm just overthinking things

Yes.

I do it also. But in cases like this I'd rather just bite the bullet on something that I reckon will work for what I'll do, use it and see how it goes. Otherwise you'll spend all your time wondering about sleeping bags instead of getting out there and enjoying them. It's just a sack to keep you warm at night, it's not a house purchase.

I sleep outside quite a lot, probably 25 days a year minimum, at least 10 of those in bivvys. Almost all in the UK. I've got one of these bags and it's almost always too warm but I like to know I can go out on colder nights in confidence. I've got the alpkit nemo matt and I absolutely love it and the hunka bivvy which is entirely fine. I try not to go out in awful conditions but it has happened a few times and I've survived without maximum discomfort. Basically, buy some reasonable stuff and you'll have a lovely time. It's like bikes - you can spend endless time and money looking for the top performer with the specs you've always dreamt of. Or you can go to Decathlon, get something entirely serviceable and get out on the roads having a wonderful time...

you can spend endless time and money looking for the top performer

and then you'll still need 12 bikes because it'll only be the top performer for certain scenarios.